Climate change?
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But it is still a finite resource. Which was my point.
But seen as you bring up pollutants, most of them are in the slag etc from the process - lots of mercury, arsenic, lead etc etc
As for carbon dioxide - it can form with water molecules to form a type of acid rain.
First time ever you have agreed with me, that's what I said. Must have been a misunderstanding.
Acid rain is water and SOXs.
If CO2 dissolved in water it would no longer be in the atmosphere.
Labor's involvement has nothing to do with the climate. For the current government, it's all about more money in the coffers and Julia keeping her job!
First time ever you have agreed with me, that's what I said. Must have been a misunderstanding.
It does happen every now and again.
I'm as scared as you are so let's just back away and pretend it never happened
Not strictly true - most acid rain is that, but it can also be carbonic acid, which is also a corrosive substance. It is less common though. It is an example of carbon dioxide being a pollutant, however rare it might be
That makes no sense.
If it was about her keeping her job it would never have been put in place because it is highly unpopular. It is a ludicrous argument to try and maintain.
The support of the Greens is a non-argument. Most greens preferences end up at Labor anyway.
In parliament it would make things slightly tricky but not unworkable. There have been plenty of minority governments in the past.
You couldn't be further from the truth. Solar companies have received billions of gov funding to set up and their users have received the benefit billions of dollars of RECs to encourage their purchase of PV cells. But they are going bust because they can't compete with cheap chinese competition and the buyers of the cheap Chinese cells still can't make it work anyway. Same story with wind.
When there is a viable alternative the govs will pretty soon be able to step aside: GE, BP, Shell, Clive Palmer will all step up to the plate and take over. These organizations are not ideologically driven like socialist politicians.
Edit: Subsidies for alternative energy caused serious damage to Spain's budget.
Not strictly true - most acid rain is that, but it can also be carbonic acid, which is also a corrosive substance. It is less common though. It is an example of carbon dioxide being a pollutant, however rare it might be
Why didn't you say that in the first place? I still doubt relevance.
Not strictly true - most acid rain is that, but it can also be carbonic acid, which is also a corrosive substance. It is less common though. It is an example of carbon dioxide being a pollutant, however rare it might be
I'll bear that in mind next time I use my sodastream to make a fruity thirst quenching drink.
So why did Julia Gillard & labor change their mind after clearly saying "there will be No carbon Tax" This makes no sense to me.
I was pointing out that in some instances carbon dioxide can cause pollution. Glib, sweeping statements don't help anyone.
Because saying there would be a carbon tax would have been an election killer.
I'm not supporting it. I just think that free market theory works well as a theory only.
But that is kinda what I am are saying. There is no innovation. There was some great stuff coming out of UNSW. But he has had to relocate to China to get funding to continue his work into a much more cost effective solar system.
I should have made it clearer - there should be more funding into R&D. Not just subsidies to manufacturers who are not innovators.
Just as "renewable" energy is still theoretical. Like a wrestle between the sheets: Big things are promised in nine months!
Not true. "Billions" is way too large and is no reflection of the level of REC subsidy in the Australian rooftop PV market. "Millions" is more accurate.
Some European PV manufacturers are indeed going bust but others are going gangbusters. Same story with every power technology and every business in the world. In wind you may be thinking of the losses Vestas is currently making? Small beer in the scheme of things - they have gone through periods of losses before like most businesses and will likely be profitable again. Wind is still a fast growing market with circa 20% global growth YoY. Nothing to see here...
GE and BP already have large positions in the global renewable energy market and are trying to grab market share in the face of stiff competition from Chinese producers in both solar and wind. It is far too early to tell who will win out at the end of the day. My bet is that we will end up with a similar situation as we see in thermal power stations where the Chinese sell their own product to themselves and the rest of us buy from the likes of GE and Siemens. But we shall see - this is a fast evolving market. No doubt the Chinese are finding more western customers in PV who don't know what they don't know.
The historical subsidies in the Spanish and German markets have been largely responsible for the halving in cost (and halving again) of global PV prices. They have been the most effective foreign aid package of any - dropping the price massively for the rest of us. But yes the cost at the time for the Spanish and Germans was very high... if they didn't do it though PV prices would be 4X what they are now.
There hasn't been one power technology (including gas turbines and coal) that has made it on its own merit. ALL of them have been massively supported by govts of the time to get going for strategic reasons - most of the reasons related to energy security. The power industry has never been a free market and the development of new power technologies has always relied on govt support - nothing has ever succeeded in challenging the status quo without it.
This simple sentence proves without a doubt that you are arguing socialistic politics, not climate change.
As I said, I'm a veteran in this war and a large majority of "alarmist" posters I have crossed swords with are rusted-on labor, so much so they are defending Craig Thomson as simply sharing the spoils of power with the capitalists.
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