mine are the same as wylie's. the incidents weren't just a noise heard by one person - they were incidents seen/heard by several people who all went "what the ... " over a period of time, or animals that are unable to deceive.
Do you believe in Ghosts?
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mine are the same as wylie's. the incidents weren't just a noise heard by one person - they were incidents seen/heard by several people who all went "what the ... " over a period of time, or animals that are unable to deceive.
Exactly....
On e person said to me "the more educated people are, th eless they believe in God." Someone chal;lenged that by saying, if it is based on education, why were the ancient greeks, who were highly educated comapred to others who belevied in multiple gods etc , beleive in the 12 Gods ?
The first person suggested that's becuase wer are smarmore eduacted than the ancients.. hmm I think he missed the poing
the subconscious mind is stil in uncharted territory.
in much the same way you see green when banged on the head, you could very well see white when near death.
i think a lot of people are too happy to give up knowldge for some heebyjeeby story - i mean, in bygone years anything that couldn't be explained (like infant mortality, the rainbow, why fish don't need air) was just put down to "God's will".
the want to believe we are not alone is a driver in many alternate realities, like seeing ghosts, out of body experiences, faith etc. not that it's the ONLY driver, but generally those that exhibit traits of believing in spirits are also showing other common signs of faith based perceptions.
one thing that does confirm that there is 'something' is an animal's reaction. humans are so desensitised to their spiritual side (by that, i mean the quiet enjoyment of one's own inner thoughts and processes) that what we may miss, or feel slightly, an animal is seeing/feeling 10 fold in comparison.
example...why can someone think of someone else, and 20 seconds later the phone rings, and it's the person you were thinking about? it happens to me more times than i can count. sometimes i know a client is calling from the other side of the city as they're dialling, i end the phone conversation i'm on immediately and hey presto ... look who it is. i can't explain that.
is that sense of ESP or psychic connection actually there, or was it just a co-incidence the last 50 odd times it's happened? well, you can flip a coin and get heads 50 times in a row, it ain't likely, but i've seen double heads 11 times in a row at the casino at two up.
what about all those times i did think about it and it never eventuated? does that mean there really is nothing? or maybe the other person was distracted with another task?
you could fill the forum with what if's. if you choose to switch "it" off and ignore it, chances are your mind won't let you see what is there. however, i think too many people switch "it" on, and see everything for what it ain't.
in much the same way you see green when banged on the head, you could very well see white when near death.
i think a lot of people are too happy to give up knowldge for some heebyjeeby story - i mean, in bygone years anything that couldn't be explained (like infant mortality, the rainbow, why fish don't need air) was just put down to "God's will".
the want to believe we are not alone is a driver in many alternate realities, like seeing ghosts, out of body experiences, faith etc. not that it's the ONLY driver, but generally those that exhibit traits of believing in spirits are also showing other common signs of faith based perceptions.
one thing that does confirm that there is 'something' is an animal's reaction. humans are so desensitised to their spiritual side (by that, i mean the quiet enjoyment of one's own inner thoughts and processes) that what we may miss, or feel slightly, an animal is seeing/feeling 10 fold in comparison.
example...why can someone think of someone else, and 20 seconds later the phone rings, and it's the person you were thinking about? it happens to me more times than i can count. sometimes i know a client is calling from the other side of the city as they're dialling, i end the phone conversation i'm on immediately and hey presto ... look who it is. i can't explain that.
is that sense of ESP or psychic connection actually there, or was it just a co-incidence the last 50 odd times it's happened? well, you can flip a coin and get heads 50 times in a row, it ain't likely, but i've seen double heads 11 times in a row at the casino at two up.
what about all those times i did think about it and it never eventuated? does that mean there really is nothing? or maybe the other person was distracted with another task?
you could fill the forum with what if's. if you choose to switch "it" off and ignore it, chances are your mind won't let you see what is there. however, i think too many people switch "it" on, and see everything for what it ain't.
Good post, very itneresting...
Re your last paragraph, I'm not as sure as you are to be able to agree / disagree with your last sentence...
I consider myself quite sceptical as a rule, but when things like the hands of a watch and clock move back and forth, non electronic switches turn on, objects are found in strange places when none has been home, you hear human sounds (not always footsteps) or see people that have passed away and you know the whole family is not psychotic you develop an open mind.
These things often happen in clusters or within a short time frame like an hour or two.
My husband and I kept our own experiences away from our children until they told us of their similar experiences.
Young son has given us a good description of a teenager he's seen. I've actually witnessed my son stop and stare for a few seconds before saying "a shadow man has just walked into my room".
Other experiences are too hard to put into words like a strange non verbal communication that can come out of the blue, or knowing certain information that you could not possibly know.
I had this happen at the actually moment my father passed away but did not know it at the time. It unsettled me and sent a chill down my spine. This information came through a person next to me in traffic??? Half an hour later I was told he had died.
Btw we have an accurate history of this house and none has died in it however a boy in my husbands year at school ?slipped in the shower at age 17 and died in the house across the road and down one.
Do I believe in ghosts? I believe in something very real beyond what we see and I believe we have the ability to know things before they occur.
Must go now the nurses are calling me
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I don't believe in any supernatural things although I do like a good Zombie flick.
I would have no concerns doing any of the things mentioned expect to perhaps buy a "Murder House". Purely for the future value and resale. I also would be concerned that my daughters and partner may not be happy to live in such a place.
Jack Nicholson tells us that women are just like men once you take away all accountability and reason
My mum lived down the road from a house where someone was killed. Very hard to sell and the new owner sold again when he found the entire village called his home "The Murder House".
I would have no concerns doing any of the things mentioned expect to perhaps buy a "Murder House". Purely for the future value and resale. I also would be concerned that my daughters and partner may not be happy to live in such a place.
Jack Nicholson tells us that women are just like men once you take away all accountability and reason
My mum lived down the road from a house where someone was killed. Very hard to sell and the new owner sold again when he found the entire village called his home "The Murder House".
They were well advanced in Philosophy but I think the original person was referring to Sciences when mentioning education.
I struggle with the whole Faith issue myself.
People accept the recent miracles in the paper but I am concerned that whilst God loves Cancer victims - he apparently hates amputees.
And we today are not the most educated in that there will ever be, we will be looked upon as being as ignorant etc as we look at the generations before us..
so while we think of ourselves as advanced, we are no more advanced than the ancient greeks thought they were to previous generations - and people continued to believe in a God / God(s) despite having somm much more education that people around them.....
The ancient greeks understood more about science etc than most other cultures around them, but clung to the Gods..
we have elevated the bar a couple of feet with the knowoeldge gained over the years and think we're invincible and the epitome
If you don't beleive in God or whatever or have issues with people who do or whatever, I think that's totally separate from what was being talked about.
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And we today are not the most educated in that there wil lever be, we will be looked upon as being as ignorant etc as the generations before us.. so while we think of ourselves as advanced, we are no more advanced than the ancient greeks though they were to previous generations - and people continued to be lieve in a God / God(s) The an ient greeks udnerstood more about science etc than most other cutlutes areund them, but clung to the Gods.. we have elevated the bar a coupel of feet wiht the knowoeldge gained voer the eyars and think we're invincible and the epitome
If you don't beleive in God or whatever or have issues with people who do or whatever, I think that's totally separate from what was being talked about.
The Gods of Greece were in the post I referred to. The Christian God isn't considered another God? Or even a spirit? The Holy Spirit is one of his many names?
But I assure you I have no issue with people of faith - in fact I envy them.
I certainly didn't mean to offend. If you slow down your typing it might come out better
OK, that's the question.......
No; I don't believe in them - until I see one.
Now, if you said no, answer these questions.....
- Would you walk through a cemetery at night on your own? yes; but I'd be scared of being murdered by some idiot; not a ghost
- Would you sleep in a tent in a cemetery at night on your own? As above.
- Would you sleep alone in an old English castle with a reputation of being haunted? yes; it'd be a hoot and probably free!!
- Would you buy and live in a house in which a family had been brutally murdered? yes.
Personally, I think if someone doesn't believe in ghosts, then they are inconsistent to answer no to any of the questions above.
An anecdote; when we moved into our PPoR in Red Hill back in 2008, we had planned to renovate it. It is a 1926 Californian Bungalow...beautiful, but old and tired.
It was built by the grandfather of the owner we bought it from.
So, one night I'm painting inside the house, my wife was at work (nurse) and I was alone.
I suddenly had this strong feeling that I was being watched by the Grandfather as I painted, and I felt I was being assessed as to the quality of the work I was doing.
But then; I was drinking wine and painting at the same time - an enclosed space with paint fumes and alcohol....
Probably all in my mind.
No; I don't believe in them - until I see one.
Now, if you said no, answer these questions.....
- Would you walk through a cemetery at night on your own? yes; but I'd be scared of being murdered by some idiot; not a ghost
- Would you sleep in a tent in a cemetery at night on your own? As above.
- Would you sleep alone in an old English castle with a reputation of being haunted? yes; it'd be a hoot and probably free!!
- Would you buy and live in a house in which a family had been brutally murdered? yes.
Personally, I think if someone doesn't believe in ghosts, then they are inconsistent to answer no to any of the questions above.
An anecdote; when we moved into our PPoR in Red Hill back in 2008, we had planned to renovate it. It is a 1926 Californian Bungalow...beautiful, but old and tired.
It was built by the grandfather of the owner we bought it from.
So, one night I'm painting inside the house, my wife was at work (nurse) and I was alone.
I suddenly had this strong feeling that I was being watched by the Grandfather as I painted, and I felt I was being assessed as to the quality of the work I was doing.
But then; I was drinking wine and painting at the same time - an enclosed space with paint fumes and alcohol....
Probably all in my mind.
I grew up around cemetaries. Dad was a grave digger. My brother and I spent heaps of nights in and around them. Safest place around at night. And o never saw a single ghost.
Why won't we ever know? Some people claim to know already.
In the thousands of years of human existence, there is still no credible proof that "ghosts" (whatever that means) exist.
The onus of proof is on the claimer, it is impossible to prove the non-existence of anything.
I've spent quite a few years working in hospitals where possibly thousands have died yet I've never heard a nurse say she's seen a ghost there.
So do they live in the house or hospital they die in or do they live in the cemetary that their body is transported to
.I've spent quite a few years working in hospitals where possibly thousands have died yet I've never heard a nurse say she's seen a ghost there.
So do they live in the house or hospital they die in or do they live in the cemetary that their body is transported to
Why aren't you able to answer that weg, based on your own experiences you decribed earlier ?
Or rather, why would someone else be better able to answer it if you can't ?
I'm no expert on ghosts. I have no idea where they reside although if we can move around you'd think they could to. Why would a ghost choose to hang out at the cemetary?
I just find it funny that most people assume they stay at the spot where they die but also at the cemetary where the body is
.I was not looking for an answer.
I'm no expert on ghosts. I have no idea where they reside although if we can move around you'd think they could to. Why would a ghost choose to hang out at the cemetary?
I just find it funny that most people assume they stay at the spot where they die but also at the cemetary where the body is
I was not looking for an answer.
What, the SAME ghost ?
Why couldn't they move around ? George Costana was sure they can move around at the speed of light, or was that thought ? What makes you more of an expert to say they can't ?
You seem to know more about this ghost stuff then you're letting on... come on, spill the beans
YES the same ghost/s.
Actually, I believe they travel in the back seat of cars but only some people see them - in the rear view mirror
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