ideas on how to spend the money wisely

Hi everyone

Here is a question that is rarely asked: What are you going to do with all your millions, once you've made them?

No-one ever seems to seriously discuss that question.

The way I see it investing is a game. The score card is the pile of money in your account at the end of the day and the more money you make the more skilled you are at playing the game and therefore the cleverer you feel!.

The game is great fun - I play it and I know how much fun it is.

But I see winning the investment game as just part A.

Part B is doing something with the pile of money.

I'm interested in finding out how people plan to "deal with" their money.

I know this is a delicate topic, and whenever I ask it, people get uncomfortable. I don't know why!

Here are some answers people give:

1. use the pile of money to make more money!

2. treat themselves: buy rolls royces, boats, holidays, multiple residences, especially the villa in France!

3. leave a huge nest egg for their children and grandchildren - this plan could be the result of inertia as much as anything

4. participate in venture capital projects

5. give to charity

6. create businesses

I actually can't think of anything else.

I think options 1, 2 and 3 are probably the most attractive for most people, and require little effort or creativity.

The last three are the most challenging but offer huge opportunity to leave a legacy and creat an impact.

They are difficult though.

For example, about 40 -50% of venture capital projects fail. Lots of businesses fail too and even those that don't fail are often just making money for the owner and leaving the customers worse off e.g. casinos, cigarette makers, donut shops, sellers of inferior clothes!!!

And how many charities actually give you great returns for each dollar you donate?

I argue that Part B of the game - finding smart ways to put your winnings to good use - - is a lot harder than Part A.

I am interested in hearing what other people have done in the way of spending their winnings well.

For instance has anyone creatied and operated their own charity? Stumbled across a great charity that they'vefelt delighted to give lots of money to? Invested in a venture capital business that succeeded or started up a successful business that is a geniune win-win for everyone concerned?

I'm looking for inspiration here!

Today I did find some. It was on the front page of the Business Australian.

Here is the article:

Venture capitalist learns to pick good people
Private equity ventures into scholarships for bright Aboriginal students, writes Glenda Korporaal
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October 02, 2006
WHEN Waverley Stanley walked through Philip Latham's door two years ago, he was the first Aborigine the English-born venture capitalist had ever met.
The conversation did not initially show much promise. Stanley wanted Latham to tell him how Aboriginal enterprises could attract venture capital.

Latham, who founded RMB Capital Partners in Sydney in 1998, initially put him off. It was hard enough for big-city enterprises to get venture capital - let alone small struggling Aboriginal businesses, he explained.

But that was not the end of their work together. During the course of the meeting, Stanley told Latham about his experience as a child growing up in Cherbourg, a former Aboriginal settlement 250km northwest of Brisbane. Stanley explained that his big break had come about because his white teacher had personally lobbied the headmaster at Toowoomba Grammar to give him a scholarship.

So instead of concentrating on venture capital, Latham worked with Stanley to back his real passion - helping bright, young Aboriginal kids get scholarships to top boarding schools.

Last year, they set up Yalari Limited which aims to raise the money to support some 250 Aboriginal kids at boarding schools over the next decade.

Latham convinced the Australian Private Equity & Venture Capital Association (AVCAL) to adopt Yalari (an Aboriginal word for "child") as its charity and at last week's conference, AVCAL members donated $60,000 to buy an Aboriginal painting to help Yalari's small, but growing, coffers - a repeat of the fundraising that started at its 2005 conference. In total, Latham estimates that local private equity investors have already donated almost $400,000 to the cause.

The first five Aboriginal kids started school under the scheme this year at Toowoomba Grammar and the nearby Glennie School for girls.

In the process of building Yalari, Latham was forced to scurry off to bookshops to teach himself about Aboriginal history as well as visiting Aboriginal schools in Queensland to get some first-hand experience. Yalari also brought together the likes of actors Bryan Brown and Rachael Ward who also help Aboriginal children.

"It's been an eye opener," Latham said in his office on Friday with a touch of English understatement.

"Being English, I hadn't grown up with any knowledge of Aboriginal culture."

In Cherbourg, he met a teacher who told him how almost half of her class of 20 had either physical problems such as deafness, or learning disabilities, and found out how often Aboriginal girls dropped out of school after getting pregnant. At the same time he met "some wonderfully determined families who just want to find a way for their kids to succeed".

Latham and Stanley are on the verge of getting the Australian Tax Office to approve Yalari as a charity, after which they plan to hit the big end of town for serious donations to raise $12 million.

"Anyone I have spoken to about this, who has bothered to learn what is going on, comes away wanting to do something. There's a lot of goodwill."

((skip a bit!)

Latham approaches Yalari in the same way he approaches private equity, drawing up a list of rules on how it should operate including a strict set of guidelines on how it selects kids to receive the scholarships.

There is no shortage of Aboriginal parents wanting their kids to take advantage of the program.

"There's not a lot of mystery to private equity," he says.

"It's a lot of common sense. You don't over extend yourself. You don't take silly bets.

"More than anything else - you learn how to pick good people."

Yalari's own success in picking good people could determine if some bright Aboriginal kids become the Aboriginal role models and even maybe leaders of the future.

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The charity actually has a home page: www.yalari.org

I just read it a few minutes ago. I have a thousand questions I would like to ask them. I feel a bit miffed by this project as this idea was what I always planned to do! It's OK though as I have a million pet projects!

Don't you think it would be hugely satisfying to actually create something clever like this with your squillions? I do - - and it isn't even pure altruism as it would give your ego a real boost to think that because of what you did lots of other people are better off.

You would get the same buzz from getting a worthwhile business idea up and running or creating your own worthwhile business idea where you project left people better off.

What are people's thoughts about this stuff?

Cheers Carol
 
Why Wait ??

Do you need to wait till you have made your millions ?
As you get more comfortable ( financially ) and therfore are able to devote more time to other persuits, why not make an early start.

I too agree its just a game... and the people I am playing this game with ( like minded partners & friends) also agree that you have to have fun along the way.
One of the things we are looking into is skills transfer for our neighbouring developing countries.
Specifically in the building trades.

All this investing and moneymaking gets a bit mechanical after awhile.
The real satisfaction comes from helping others.

kp
 
I actually can't think of anything else.

Spend time with my kids and spend time on my hobbies.. I give a modest amount to charity each year..

Sorry, no great aspriations for millions so that I can magnanimously given millions to charity.
 
What a fantastic idea to fund scholarships. Hopefully the cycle might be broken for those young people, and that might lead to better outcomes for more and more. You know, the "she told two friends, and she told two friends" thing.

Personally, I have never spoken to anyone about this, but I have a little idea right at the back of my mind that when we are able to, I'd really like to turn over an IP to be used as an emergency shelter for women who need it. Women who cannot leave a violent situation because there are no houses for them to go to.

It is a long way off, because we have three boys to educate and our expenses are escalating and will do for several years to come, but it is something I'd love to do to give back to the community.

Apart from that little idea, I have no real idea what we will do. I feel that we will forever be in debt, but I know that is not true. I wonder about those who want to "retire" by 40 or whatever. If my husband stopped working, he'd go mouldy and get bedsores on the couch. I assume those wishing to stop working mean they'd work for themselves, investing or whatever takes their fancy, because boredom would soon kick in for us.

Wylie
 
Well the thing is that even when you are worth millions you wont have millions to spend. A millionaire on this site might find his millions tied up in property which provides him with a decent income. Hardly millions to throw around.

But those who aim for the BRW Rich List should have millions to do with what she likes :D
 
If I had enough money and can spend as much as I want to I would do the following:

1. Get proper training for playing professional sport. Like enrolling at Sanchez-Casal Tennis academy or Harry Hopman Academy or a Letterman Golf academy...and see how much I can progress. [Never had enough talent to succeed, but always wanted to give it a go. Could have done it if I have passive $100k income and have 6 hours a day training]. I mean look at Martina Navratilova. At 49 she won US Open mixed doubles !!!! (She said when she made the comeback 2 years ago, she said that it cost her more money to stay on the tour paying for accommodation, training, coaches, physios, doctors etc because doubles don't pay much compared to singles)

2. Enrol in a PhD program re diplomatic history and write a book about a certain even.(ie, esp re Korean War, Vietnam War, and East Timor) and dig up historical documents in China, Australia (at National Achives), US (various libraries) & USSR etc- [I've wanted do this in my early 20s but was not able to get grants, and did not have enough money to fly and pay for accommodation and pay for all the photocopying]

3. Follow the track of Buddha in Northern India & Pakistan. And on the way if I see needy people, stay behind and help them as much as I can with the money I have.

4. Do the 88 Temple walk and 33 Temple walk in Japan.

5. Try to meet up with leaders who cause wars (Shia-Sunni in the middle east), former Soviet Republics and see if there is any way they can live peacefully without military intervention and attacks on human beings.
 
Do you need to wait till you have made your millions ?
As you get more comfortable ( financially ) and therfore are able to devote more time to other persuits, why not make an early start.



kp

Hi kph

I'm turning 50 this year. I plan to play part A of the game for another ten years and then when I'm 60 and can access my super, I will play Part B.

Unlike other females I cannot multi-task! I am a creature of obsessions. I can only do one thing at a time.

Every now and then I get side-tracked by Part B stuff and it really throws me.

Carol
 
Spend time with my kids and spend time on my hobbies.. I give a modest amount to charity each year..

Sorry, no great aspriations for millions so that I can magnanimously give

millions to charity.

Sorry, Duncan, your answer is disqualified!

Not aspiring to making millions is not a valid answer to the question "how do you plan to deal with your millions once you've made them"!!!

Carol
 
Personally, I have never spoken to anyone about this, but I have a little idea right at the back of my mind that when we are able to, I'd really like to turn over an IP to be used as an emergency shelter for women who need it. Women who cannot leave a violent situation because there are no houses for them to go to.

Wylie

Wylie,

Your answer gave me an idea.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to set up a forum just like this one, but dedicated to the theme of sharing ideas on creative philanthrophy.

The idea of being a cheque book philanthropist doesn't much appeal to me at all. i would like to spot the areas of need myself at least sometimes and have a big say in how the problems are tackled.

A forum like this one would be great for that.

One day I did an extensive search on the net for ideas on hands-on philanthropy and the only theme I came up with was women hosting charity eventst to raise money for existing cuases! Pretty disappointing.

I think forums are powerful vehicles. My pet project, which would probably cost close to zilch to set up, is a forum just for senior citizens. That forum could achieve so much:

1. be a form of social contact for house-bound or socially isolated oldies

2. be a source of valuable information for all

3. be the starting point for unacquainted people to get together for film outings, etc

4. be an introduction for oldies to information on satisfying activities e.g. stimulating volunteer work, group musical tuition classes, local bridge groups, etc.

5. be an opportunity for foootball fanatics to vent their emotions

6. be an opportunity to whinge about health complaints to people who are interested!

Being old doesn't look much fun at all, especially once you hit your 80s. A forum specially dedicated to oldies would help make like a little bit more pleasant.


Carol

PS I like your refuge idea. I hope it happens for you one day.
 
If I had enough money and can spend as much as I want to I would do the following:

1. Get proper training for playing professional sport. Like enrolling at Sanchez-Casal Tennis academy or Harry Hopman Academy or a Letterman Golf academy...and see how much I can progress. [Never had enough talent to succeed, but always wanted to give it a go. Could have done it if I have passive $100k income and have 6 hours a day training]. I mean look at Martina Navratilova. At 49 she won US Open mixed doubles !!!! (She said when she made the comeback 2 years ago, she said that it cost her more money to stay on the tour paying for accommodation, training, coaches, physios, doctors etc because doubles don't pay much compared to singles)

2. Enrol in a PhD program re diplomatic history and write a book about a certain even.(ie, esp re Korean War, Vietnam War, and East Timor) and dig up historical documents in China, Australia (at National Achives), US (various libraries) & USSR etc- [I've wanted do this in my early 20s but was not able to get grants, and did not have enough money to fly and pay for accommodation and pay for all the photocopying]

3. Follow the track of Buddha in Northern India & Pakistan. And on the way if I see needy people, stay behind and help them as much as I can with the money I have.

4. Do the 88 Temple walk and 33 Temple walk in Japan.

5. Try to meet up with leaders who cause wars (Shia-Sunni in the middle east), former Soviet Republics and see if there is any way they can live peacefully without military intervention and attacks on human beings.

Hi Hiflo

All of your ideas sound do-able. Even number 5. See the story about Chuck, the US billionnaire philanthropist for a bit of inspiration.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s932485.htm

What we need to do is allow ourselves to think big and then try and hang around other poeple who don't think our ideas are kookily ambitious.

Carol
 
In all honesty I havent given this much thought. I guess I spend most my time thinking about creating wealth rather than spending it.

However I have had brief moments where Ive thought to myself, Id like to see my aunty happier and buy her a house and probably my cousin too. My mother, Id buy her a house and a nice car, and from there who knows.

Making them happy would make me happy. I know I dont need millions to do this - simply dropping in with a loaf of bread and some milk makes my mum smile - but to do something of big proportions would be awesome.

I have no doubts that eventually I will become wealthy, and in saying that am mindful of those who have helped me in times of need when Ive had absolutely nothing to offer in exchange. Theyre the ones that I will have no problems with offering help. Whether that be financial assistance or otherwise.

RJ
 
Hi Carol

Ideas on How to Spend the Money Wisely?

Well, life is the idea. We already have a good lifestyle - plenty to eat (although I do less of that since losing 25 kilos), money to pay the bills without thinking about it, a new business to establish, these are a few ideas.

How will be as other ideas occur to us

Spend? Who said spend? We 'spend' very little now, and I can't see that changing too much in the future. One day I will have to change my car, but I have only had four cars in 38 years of driving, so it's not a high priority for me.

Wisely? If I'm going to 'spend', it is not necessarily going to be 'wisely'. The habits of a lifetime are not thrown away at a chronological age eg 'Now I'm 65 I'm going to spend up big!'

I'm 56 now, and already some of my peer group are thinking of or are actually retired. Me, I'm starting a new business, Mike has just been sold (again) so has a new employer, we've just taken on a ginormous debt with the new house, it's all very exciting!

Perhaps in ten or twenty years time we shall be sitting around wracked with desire for wise things to spend money on, but I don't think so. I always wanted to get into community housing, but somehow that hasn't happened (yet), although what has happened is that the Housing Commission now has leases over two of our places and we are negotiating for another two, so perhaps that is a good compromise. We can be of active good without being blindly altruistic.

I imagine that I would like to take a cruise along the Yangtze or down the Rhine, but I could do that now. I imagine that I would like to do some amazing public works, but I have already given years of my life to committees and to public office. Lots of fun and I did achieve a few things, but that also had little to do with money.

Carol, if we are going to be philanthropists or benefactors we will be anyway, there is no definitive future time or amount of money which will suddenly turn us into public minded citizens. We are or we aren't - lots of pensioners drive for Meals on Wheels and lots of young families volunteer their time for community projects. I did Life Line for two years thirty years ago - nothing we have done has had anything to do with money.

But we continue to invest primarily because we can, and it's great fun. It's like having a large family, having the houses, and yes the value continues to grow but that is not really why we have them. They are just there, there will be more, but I can't say that there is any goal of number of houses or of money, or of things to spend the money on, wisely or not.

RJ, years ago I bought Mike the Michael Caine CD and book. He (Maurice Micklewhite Jr) was very poor as a child, the father had deserted the family and his mother worked for very poor wages to support him and his sister (?). They lived in the dock areas, where everybody was dirt poor.

When Michael and Shakira were in 'tax exile' and living in California, his mother went to live with them. She was in her mid fifties. She had never drunk alcohol or smoked in her life. However, she had one taste of California wine and from there on for the next thirty years until she died in her mid eighties, drank a bottle of wine and smoked a packet of cigarettes every day.

So you may say that a loaf of bread and a litre of milk would make your mum happy, imagine the luxury which Mrs Micklewhite revelled in now that her son Maurice had 'made good'.

Sometimes 'being naughty' is a lot more fun than 'being wise'.

I hope we all enjoy our millions no matter what we decide to do with them!

Cheers

Kristine
 
Don't know what I'll do with my millions...gee...am I going to have millions? :) Wow...that would be nice. At present it just feels like I have heaps of good debt. Happy with that.:D

I'm just enjoying the learning that comes with my IP's. One benefit of my learning, is that I've been talking to a couple of my very young single income tenants, and teaching them how to get into their own PPOR's and IP's. Just putting a little back, in appreciation for what I have been given.

cheers
Sharon
 
Gee... now I think of it I might be doing the same as I am now.
'cept I am doing it on a smaller scale thus far.

I learn
(why did that happen, could I have handled it differently?)

I live within my means
(whatever means they may be)

I love
(glass 1/2 full, 1/2 empty.... always going to be someone else a bit better/worse circumstances so wish-ga just get on with it gurl)

I pray
(live a life with higher purpose than just me, me, me)

I teach
(wha' me? Well, yeah I guess just by being me in the world I show people a different way than they know/choose)

I give to charity
(another thread discusses my plan to contribute to indigenous education... onto something else volunteer: at the moment I am donating what I can and that is 'time'... anyone with connections in textiles please pm me, I know a program grateful for your donations)

I hope to have a family to share all the boldedness above with

I plan to do all those things when I have millions but some of them might be on a grander scale....esp the charity thing. The more you have the more you can give right? I certainly know I have lots more love to give in this world and a whoooole lotta learnin'
 
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Or I could blow it all on daily one-on-one hula lessons and a "the swan" type makeover then set up camp on the QEII. Sounds like fun.:p
 
Good thread and important to think about to keep focused. Here is what I intend to do with my mega millions:

1) Use some of the capital to generate a large passive income

2) I have always been conservative with vehicles, so I will probably indulge in vehicles to some degree, even if it is just one really nice car, maybe a couple of nice motorbikes, an Aston Martin, something interesting or fun

3) Travel, travel and more travel. I like the idea of travelling to countries, do touring/cooking classes exotic style

4) Do some serious adventure tours (antartic, amazon rainforest, ballooning, space adventure etc etc)

5) Help family and friends with charity and gifts

6) Buy specialised advice and knowledge, education

7) Customise our home to be exactly how we'd like it

8) Help fund kids education and give them a bump start (not too much)

9) Fund some overseas charity work and maybe fund something locally from a charity

10) Buy some serious fun toys and play

11) Do some cool bush walks that are world class

Sounds good I am looking forward to it!!!!

Tim
 
A Challenge.

Hi there.

I would like to begin such a forum. I will spend some time creating one and let you guys know.

PHBB or similar.

Any volunteers to help with coding it? (a charitable act :)

Bags hosting it. www.vitamin-t.com.au/give/

PS it's not hosted yet.. :)
Cheers
a/c
 
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