Slightly off topic: Angel, what month were you in Paris? We may have been there at the same time. Gorgeous city, but too many tourists when we were there--May.
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Slightly off topic: Angel, what month were you in Paris? We may have been there at the same time. Gorgeous city, but too many tourists when we were there--May.
Both are countries where a lot of English have retirement houses purchased. With their economies tanking, it may be even more attractive.
Unfortunately that hasn't been my experience of them (in Spain, in Australia I tend to find them no different). Having said that, negatively stereotyping a whole nation based on about 50 people is ridiculous, not that it stops some
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Yes a lot of foreigners are returning to the Spanish market (especially Russians)... not the British so much though as everything is more expensive for them now after the collapse of the pound.
Yes it?s a popular German/British stereotype, totally wrong though, I?ve been very impressed by the promptness and work of Spanish tradesmen I?ve got to do things. Plus most shops stay open until 8, 9 or 10pm, they work long hours.Unfortunately that hasn't been my experience of them (in Spain, in Australia I tend to find them no different). Having said that, negatively stereotyping a whole nation based on about 50 people is ridiculous, not that it stops some
I thought I read somewhere if you purchased a property you got a residency pass automatically?
This was the case before the GFC. The British buyers were more concentrated in the cheaper parts of southern Spain. This article discusses the foreign buyer recovery and collapse in British buyers.
http://www.spanishpropertyinsight.com/2014/11/19/foreign-demand-back-boom-levels-british/
Yes coastal prices are about half or less than 6 years ago.
It has to be more than 500K Euro, a lot, but not for some like the Russians who tend to buy the expensive stuff.
If I was considering Spain, I'd prefer to have a "try before you buy" option - to stay longer than 3 months in the first instance.
I think there are also retiree options, but it is a commitment also.
We may have had Vietnam else here since the fall of saigon as you say but Africans started moving to France after WW2, even before then so not sure the logic adds up that blacks stand out in France and Vietnamese don't in Australia based on length of time they've been here.
huh? People with Asian features will blend into a society with western features I think more readily than those with much darker skins. This is not a derogatory remark, only my observations. I was also referring to the style of dress. I tend to notice clothes or hairstyles before skin colour. I have not noticed any dark skinned people in my community. When I see someone or a group, say in Sydney or Melbourne CBD, with very dark skin, an unusual hairstyle and very bright floor length clothes, all together, they stand out.
In Singapore I was enthralled by the beautiful clothes many Indian women wore. The colours and fabrics are amazing. Here there are plenty of Indian women but I hardly ever see them wearing saris. They seem to wear the same clothes as I do. If a lady goes out in public in a sari, rare but it does happen, it is a very pale colour which does not draw my attention.
typical queenslander....
Very true indeed.. Definitely a miserable bunch here unless you're a single male with some money to spend...
sorry no hope of finding it now.
200-300m seems about right - nay essential - for a country of this size, particularly if we ever irrigated the entire west coast
The west coast of WA! Some of the poorest, most infertile land on the planet! How on earth would you irrigate this barren sandy dirt? Where would the dams be built? The Ord River scheme was built on the best patch of land anyone could find up there, and it's only irrigating 12,000 hectares. It would be lucky to produce enough food to feed Darwin and has been an unmitigated economic disaster since it was built. So now you think millions more hectares can by irrigated to feed 100's of millions of people! Just nuts!
See ya's.
I'm an immigrant myself (though a white one, so Pauline wouldn't mind me) and I think that if immigration is done right, it can be a beneficial thing for the country.
However, if it's done wrong, it can be terrible. Often immigrants that aren't integrated quickly can become a problem. Then of cause there are the ones that don't want to accept the values of their new country.
Immigration is a problem in much of Europe, for example in Finland 21% of rapes are committed by foreigners while they only make up 2.2% of the population.
The problem is that liberal countries are letting non-liberal immigrants in and are assuming that they'll adhere to the society there, which they don't.
I don't know what the solution is, closing the borders certainly wouldn't be the right thing. I think it has to be made abundantly clear to new immigrants that they're expected to adhere to social conventions and if they choose not to do this, they will be asked to leave.
However, if it's done wrong, it can be terrible. Often immigrants that aren't integrated quickly can become a problem. Then of cause there are the ones that don't want to accept the values of their new country.
Immigration is a problem in much of Europe, for example in Finland 21% of rapes are committed by foreigners while they only make up 2.2% of the population.
The problem is that liberal countries are letting non-liberal immigrants in and are assuming that they'll adhere to the society there, which they don't.
I don't know what the solution is, closing the borders certainly wouldn't be the right thing. I think it has to be made abundantly clear to new immigrants that they're expected to adhere to social conventions and if they choose not to do this, they will be asked to leave.
I agree.
Yep.
I'd stop immigration from certain groups. Increase immigration from China and other non [the religion of peace] Asian countries. Add people to this country who want to work and not just get on the welfare teat.
See ya's.
This is what I want too although it is entirely impractical and not how things work in the real world. The other issue is what to do with "locals" who choose not to adhere to social conventions. I have certainly run into many of those too.
I guess the bottom line is that if you have people, you will have problems. Personally, I enjoy my multi-cultural little pocket of Perth.
So let's have a race and religion based immigration system. That's a good idea. It worked for some countries last century.
We certainly don't want people who just want to such from the welfare teat.
