Purchasing in VIC - Frankston Area

affordable yachting at last!

It is nice that the marina is finally going to happen mid year 2009. One of my yachting buddies said the same thing about Frankston, which is why I am doing due diligence here. There is a lot of excitment in yachting circles about the concept of "affordable yachting" and this is what Frankston will deliver.

I called the local council before Xmas and they seemed quietly confident that things are finally coming to fruition. They seem keen for construction to start in 2009, once tenders are received. As with all infrastructure projects nowdays, project managers will face penalties if they cannot complete and deliver a finished job on time.

My wife and I are yachties and are keen to buy in Frankston for the marina alone. We are healthy, self-funded retirees and we both walk/cycle everyday to keep fit. Frankston is probably the only place where we can buy an affordable house or unit close to our boat at the proposed marina without need for a car.

We previously lived in Manly in Sydney - a seriously expensive suburb around the same distance from the city centre as Frankston. Even with the downturn in Sydney, the median price of a tacky 40 year old flat in Manly is over $700k. We were fortunate to sell our flat there at the top of the boom almost 5 years ago.

Like Dr K, we definitely want to buy and have the money set aside for this purpose. My wife and I have held back til now as the marina was our main reason for buying and now that it will happen, we are rearing to go. Frankston has a median of around $310 000 and this is eminently affordable for my wife and myself.

But we dont know what to buy other than it should be close to the marina and university (my wife wants to study part-time). We don't want to deal with hard-sell agents of the white-shoe brigade. Someone mentioned on this thread that 90% of agents don't own locally and if this is true, they are obviously after a fast buck and it makes sense not to rely on what they say.

If anyone with experience who owns locally (or plans to do so) can post impartial advice on the matter of "what to buy in frankston", I'd be happy. When we are sufficiently informed, I will start banging on agents doors.
 
getting the best deal

Sellers: I think the latest REIV median for Frankston is $307 000. It'd be foolish to sell a rentable brick house for less than the median unless it is falling to bits (in which case, it may be good for redevelopment so hang in there until the marina comes thru in 2009).

Buyers: always watch the latest quarter median price. If you get a house for below the median, you will do very well in the long run. Deal only with salesmen who own locally as they have reason to keep prices strong which is what you want in the long run.

Everyone: Beware salesmen who consistently sell houses for less than the median - they are misleading established owners (many of whom are elderly and less informed) and are obviously not interested in the long term prospects for Frankston

A published university research report came up with the gem that salesmen who own their own homes achieve higher prices when selling houses than non-owner salesmen. For those who are interested, the report was put out by Residex and Melb University's Faculty of Economics.
 
Newhigh, Yachtiefrankston & the Dr are obviously the same person. What a clown..... but yes Frankston Agents generally don't realise what they are sitting on.
 
Newhigh, Yachtiefrankston & the Dr are obviously the same person. What a clown..... but yes Frankston Agents generally don't realise what they are sitting on.

Not wrong there!!! Cant the mods do something?

Newhigh, As a buyer wouldnt it be best if we seek out the agents whom are constantly selling below the median house price? Sure they might be tools but at the end of the day if they are pushing the vendor to sell cheap that will only benefit us as buyers.

Selling on the other hand would be tottally differant.

Any way guys, i have 2 properties in frankston both purchased through an advocate. I have EXTREMELY happy with both purchases and highly recommend the person i use.

Well worth the money, so much so that i am even considering buying a 3rd.

PM me if you want details (and no im not linked in any way).

Any idea how long it takes to drive to the CBD in peak hour from Frankston?? If i buy a 3rd it will be to live.

Kind regards,

Matt
 
From start of Eastern Freeway top of Punt Rd down Eastlink jump off at Seaford Rd for Frankston North takes me 45 mins.

Prahran - Frankston North at night takes me 35-40 mins

Not sure on peak hour, I try to avoid it
 
stop belting the agents

I own my property. 100% of the agents in my office own their property, whether it be in Frankston, Frankston South or Seaford. I know of another reputable large agency in Frankston with more than 6 agents, all of which own their Frankston homes and have lived here for many years. Who is giving the agents bad names, themselves for trying to sell property for their vendors or agent bashing idiots like NH? Leave the agents alone, it only makes you look stupid not us.
 
For people interested in Frankston who are unhappy with the service being provided by the agents, if you are local and see a particular house that you like but don't get the call backs from agents or get a bad attitide on the phone why not just knock on the door and deal directly with the vendor? Save both of you some money and the pain of dealing with them.
 
Ok, everybodies

I'd thought I'd share some experience of Frankston, maybe I'm the first one to do so who is not an agent:D:D:D

so basically never been to Frankston before I went down to have a look,

I was aware of the big increases say in the late 1990s to early 2000s

before I went there, I was made also aware of the marina project and the fact that it is considered to be one of the most undervalued suburbs in melb, also that it is quite affordable etc. etc. and also the fact that a few bogans live there and that safety MAY be of concern.

anyway, I basically, went to re.com.au and looked at the cheapest houses.
I had a friend with a budget of about $230k look for a PPOR for himself recently, but ended buying in Carrum Downs last week becuase he couldn't find anything he liked, probably wanted a place he could move in right away and be nice for $230k, which might have priced him out, which is fair enough...

I was told that the South is the Far better area with the doctors and some CEOs buying there, fair enoug,

but what suprised me was that Frankston North had a median house price of
(actually I was surprised that they actually used medians to compare, I thought average prices would be better)

Frankston North had median of $230k, South $410, Frankston $299k
http://www.investsmart.com.au/property-research/VIC/3200/Frankston-North.asp

However, if you did a RE.com search, you found a fair few properties around the $220 mark in the north and found quite a lot in Frankston South for under $300k, so what surprised me the most was the fact that the median for the south was only $410, I thought it would be higher, however, you could find HEAPS of properties for under $300k.

Looking at a map, Frankston south is right next to the bayside while North is a little further in,

I drove to the beach and was VERY VERY surprised and shocked about how damn nice the place was, and I must admit for those sort of prices, I felt like buying right away!

now, I saw a few $200-$210k properties in the North and I must admit, it was a bit of a rough area, with the people generally NOT keeping their properties looking decent, which I thought was a bit of a turn off! and then I asked myself, so if prices decided to shoot up one day, do these people simply move out or do they start feeling obliged to make their house look better or replace their $1,000 cars?

Before I went there, I thought if the house is $200k and its not a complete dump, it surely would have to be a bargain, however, looking around in the same area, I found to my surpise that $200k was too high judging by the condition of them, there were some quite nice ones for $220k, and a furhter search for Frankston SOUTH revealed that for $250-$280, you could get a far nicer one,

(although I have no development experience) I also looked at a few which had land content about 600 sqm with the potential to subdivide, I don;t know if 600sqm is even big enough, or due to the fact that no-body seems to be doing it, is there any point in subdividing and either renovating or rebuilding the first one, it might be a great deal but if nobody wants to live in a newer smaller property at the back then there will be a problem

and then I asked myself, a good development project DOES NOT equal a good passive investment, I called my friend and they said, people won't pay any extra $$$ per week for a bigger backyard, I questioned that , and said surely maybe $10-$20 per week for a double sized yard, and then they said, well most places already have a smaller yard so a bigger yard is not much WOW factor. so the next question for me is if I find a bargain to subdivide would it be a bad idea to keep it for a few years until I am well prepared enough to go ahead and in the meantime rent it out??? I also felt a little uneasy renovating the house slightly and then to tear it down a few years later, seems like an awful waste (but maybe thats my emotion getting involved of seeing something I worked on go down). so If I pay extra for an old house with big land and potential, becuase the house is old, the rental will be low, and since I have paid extra for it, I will surely be Neg cashflow in a good market....

On the drive back, I drove through seaford and mordialloc, (For the first time mind you)

and I thought, hey these suburbs look quite nice, they are even closer to the city so they must be much higher, although there is probably less infrastructure, they had the train station but

http://www.investsmart.com.au/property-research/VIC/3198/Seaford.asp
http://www.investsmart.com.au/property-research/VIC/3195/Mordialloc.asp

reveals that the prices are virtually the same or lower, so I am wondering for those of you that are experts, what is holding these subrubs back?? is it simply that frankston beach is much nicer with hospitals etc.

so although it was a nice drive and a good experience, it has made me a bit confused.

from what ive seen frankston is nice,
now Im tossing up between north for around $200-$220k and south for $250-$280k,

I let my emotion get involved and said, the north is probably somewhere I wouldn't live in, wherease the south is quite nice, and its so close to the beach too.........

anyone decipher my blabber please comment!
 
Hello PM,

I have a place in the south and the north.

To be honest i think the north has more potential. Sure some of the current population keep there places looking a little run down but fundamentally i dont think there is anything holding the area back.

For example as an alternative to Frankston we were considering Geelong i.e Norlene/Corio but i really do think all the refinarys and heavy industry will hold the area back. These refinarys are not going anywhere in the next 50 years so as far as i am concerned they will always weight the area down

Frankston North has minimal industry yet has the same access to the same infastructure as the south and a lot cheaper.

I am suprised to hear you found plenty of places in the $280k mark. Could you please post a few examples so i know what your looking at??

Im only new to all this but would be most interested in hearing others thoughts.

Cheers,

Matt
 
Just an update. Curiousity was getting the better of me.

Had a quick look on RE.COM.AU

The first is obviously a hole if it is calling for tradesman/renovators

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...r=&cc=&c=41969196&s=vic&snf=rbs&tm=1231203366


This one is on a main road.

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...r=&cc=&c=41969196&s=vic&snf=rbs&tm=1231203366


This one looks good for $300,000-$320,000 although not a development site.

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...r=&cc=&c=41969196&s=vic&snf=rbs&tm=1231203366
 
hello sabitor,

Id be honest, I think that geelong and corio are too far out for my personal liking (nothing personal!)

all I did to find properies in F. South to get $280k was I avoided anything apartment or 1 BDR, as I don't think the CG potential for IBDR in this area would be too crash hot

I found the north to be a bit rough, as for potential South VS North, I see both sides, Buying $220k in North puts you in the higher end of the north, however, $280k in South is simply at the lower end it will be catching up to the rest of the surburb so its easier to rise, however for the difference of $60k, Id be leaning towards the south, I think the "posh" factor in the south will always be there.... just my gut feeling based on spending my first 3 hours in frankston!

if you could let me know more of your opinions, even by private messaging, that would be appreciated.

here are some properties under $280k in South Frankston

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bi...t=&header=&cc=&c=90217120&s=vic&tm=1231203479
 
I don't really think Frankston South, Karingal are any closer to the beach than Frankston North. Have a look on Google Maps
Also i'd rather buy a house and land in an area thats fast changing than a unit or flat in a area that doesn't need to change. I own in Frankston North and Mordialloc, Mordialloc has huge potential with the creek re-development. Pompies landing but prices are alot higher in Mordialloc than Frankston.
If your looking Bayside i'd stick to Parkdale/Mordialloc, Chelsea/Carrum or Seaford/Frankston.
Parkdale/Mordialloc are becoming the new hot spots for people who can't afford to buy in Sandringham/Beaumaris
 
I don't really think Frankston South, Karingal are any closer to the beach than Frankston North. Have a look on Google Maps
Also i'd rather buy a house and land in an area thats fast changing than a unit or flat in a area that doesn't need to change. I own in Frankston North and Mordialloc, Mordialloc has huge potential with the creek re-development. Pompies landing but prices are alot higher in Mordialloc than Frankston.
If your looking Bayside i'd stick to Parkdale/Mordialloc, Chelsea/Carrum or Seaford/Frankston.
Parkdale/Mordialloc are becoming the new hot spots for people who can't afford to buy in Sandringham/Beaumaris

hey bayside

I sent you a message before!:p

anyways, I used the RE map, and it seems that South is a bit closer to the beach, but it may be the maps badness...

so based on the above comment, you think that south doesn't need to change, while the north should or needs to, I also agree with this, but entry level south properties are quite nice and should attract a good tenant, Im not too sure about the entry level norths though, But I completely see your point and agree.

as for which suburb, I haven;t started my due diliegence for other suburbs but I feel that seaford which is RIGHT on the beach might be a goer as well, with pries still quite low surprisingly!, so I d like to hear your opinions on that as well, maybe i'll buy both!:D
 
HEY PM,

We looked at Seaford prior to buying in Frankston.

The prices on the freeway side of the beach in Seaford where pritty high from memory. The local agents call in the "Golden Triangle" or some crap like that, Agent **** if you ask me.

It is a 5min walk to the beach.

If you can afford in there then go for it. I know we looked at heaps but this was when the market was going off and for what you got i didnt think it was worth it.. Perhaps things have changed?

As for Frankston... I think Buying a House with land in the north will out do a unit in the south.

I have recently come to the realisation (being new and all) that i like to have options.

The north place for us has these options. We can subdivide the back yard and build a new place. Reno the existing one or demolish the lot and start again. All these ways we can add value in the future.

Units and houses with no development potential dont give you this. They will only follow the market. Sure they will still be a good investment but with few "options".

Most of the experienced guys are probably saying "drrrrrr" right now but hey we all have to learn somehow!

Please keep us updated on your progress. :)
 
hey sabitor,

thanks for your input, you've raised some interesting and what I would say are valid points.

I did have a look at both sides, there are a few F.North 3 BDR for between $195-$220k, pretty shabby good potential for CG and subdiviion, obviously the lower end , and we looked at a few in Frankston South, at $280s, we saw a few houses (not unit) with subdivision potential for $280,

now you've mentioned seaford, I will definitely have to have a look,

With the both of these properties, from what I saw, the Frankston North was probably a bit too rough to subdivide at this present moment (note that I have absolutely no expeirence in subdivision), I didn't see any subdivisions so maybe thats a sign or maybe I could start a trend, however with starting trends, it can be risk(IER) I guess. with the S Frankston one for $280k, it was very similar to the N.Frankston one, so I guess you pay the extra $80k or so in Location, Location, Location, so I guess I am trying to distinguish the differences , as the options that i have are the same

eg.
1. Leave as it is and rent out
2. Renovate and make it a nice big house with a big yard, make it a premium property eg. $400-$500k
3. Subdivide and tear down, and build 2 new
4. Subidivide, keep current one as it is or renovate and build another
5. Sell with plans (not interested in this one)

anything else Ive missed?
so I guess I am still torn between N Frankston, S. Frankston, and Seaford.
 
Hey PM,

With the F.North option i personally wont be sub dividing for ATLEAST 7years.

I am still young and have time on my side so for now i am happy to buy the cheapys and develop much later.

For a start i dont have the equity or experiance required to make it work.

Please keep us updated on your progress.

Kind regards,

Matt
 
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