sorry guys - I have been very busy and never had a chance to respond to my initial comment. It is based upon my frustration with my extended family... example 1 "we can't afford a new car!" - fair enough. next time I see them they have a demo Astra. demo - great. save much? well not in my opinion, they could have gone to a broker (private fleet for example) and saved that much on a brand new car. the mileage on this demo? 38,000kms. you what? ok... so cousin takes this Astra on a country trip, something about the front wheel struts collapse or whatever, upshot is its a big job and in the process it stuffed the tyres up and they need replacing too. Then my father, example # 2, again "we cant afford a new car" - strewth not again, so I sent him out to get his best deal on a second hand Patrol. Mean while I went to private fleet and knocked $8,000 of the RRP for a 4.2l turbo patrol... brand new, no half worn out tyres, no thrashed engines, no ex mining company cars, no repaired panels... nope, the full 3 year warranty with aussie wide roadside assistance, own colour selection and that great smell. Then, example 3 is my other cousin in her lancer - she saved maybe a grand by buying someone elses cast off. she had to buy that car as a friend had sold her a hyundai 6 months before for $4000 but the gear box exploded and needed $2k of work, so I think they begged someone to take that away. Example 4, another other cousin, got completely ripped with his 'SS' - thats in quotes because when he got it home it wasnt actually an SS and when he took it back to the yard the next day, they had lost the paperwork!! wonder what his interest rate is, if its south of 15% I'd be surprised. They did eventually swap it for sone other over priced commodroe. All I am saying here is: shop hard on the retail price, finance with minimal interest rates and in a tax effective manner, enjoy it, thrash it and sell it at a residual that other countries don't enjoy, simply because there are millions of people in Aussie that hold it dear to their heart that the best deal is second hand! I think that is great compared to driving a bomb and having to fix it all the time - and bombs do depreciate too unless you have something thats very old. There are other factors: fuel efficiency, reliability, safety and the final one - lifes too short!