Western suburbs to boom

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23824911-5006301,00.html

THE western suburbs will be the state's next big real estate hot-spot, tipped to thrive as a result of the State Government's $2 billion pledge to revitalise public transport.

Property prices are set to soar in the west as it sheds its poor cousin image to cater for an expected influx of new residents attracted by the Glenelg tramline extension from the city to West Lakes, Port Adelaide and Semaphore.
The prospect of a burgeoning western suburbs was further fuelled yesterday by the:

RELEASE of the latest plans for the Cheltenham Racecourse redevelopment .

ANNOUNCEMENT of a $50 million plan to upgrade the Entertainment Centre.

But residents of at least one suburb on the new train/tram corridor, Semaphore, are worried about the prospect of developers destroying its historic culture to create Glenelg-style high-rise buildings.

The Property Council of South Australia said it was inevitable that high-rise developments would prosper beyond the $1.5 billion development now transforming Port Adelaide.

"It will allow more medium to high-density developments which will be great for those suburbs," Property Council executive director Nathan Paine said.

"We're already seeing places near good transit routes worth more.

"I would absolutely expect to see an increase in house prices along those routes."

Port Adelaide is already the stand-out western suburb for real estate values. Its median house price is $385,500 – $35,500 more than the wider metropolitan area.

The catalyst has been the Newport Quays development which will result in as many as 3000 new townhouses and apartments, bringing up to 6000 more residents to the port in the next decade.

By the end of this year, Stage 2 will be complete with around 900 new apartments/townhouses and 450 residents.

Real estate agent Anthony Toop expects to witness a western renaissance.

"The west will come alive in the true sense," he said.

"For the 30 years I've been in real estate, everyone has talked about the west going into a boom and this is the sort of catalyst that will get the ball rolling for the entire region.

"Add the corridor to the new developments in the area, the new expressway, all that adds up to a picture of very exciting times for that whole western side of Adelaide."

With Adelaide experiencing an interest rate-led property slowdown, industry experts believe prices in bargain suburbs along the track such as Rosewater ($280,000) and Glanville ($305,000) will jump.

"This is yet another shot in the arm for the west and although the market has plateaued, it would be a good bet to be looking in there if you are an investor," Mr Toop said.

The Real Estate Institute of South Australia agreed.

"This will have a positive flow-on effect right through the western suburbs, right through to Port Adelaide, Ethelton and all those suburbs," REISA president Robin Turner said.

But agents say word is already starting to get out.

"The amount of inquiry we get from interstate and overseas in regards to Port Adelaide is great and this is going to be just another feather in the cap," said LJ Hooker Port Adelaide principal Bryan Sutcliffe.

"Public transport is very important when selling a home, it's a very important sales pitch for everyone.

"Adelaide has never had a development like Port Adelaide and people have to get their head around how big it's going to be – it's going to be a monster."
 
Sounds fantastic! Does anyone know the exact route of the new tram/train line, and that of the new expressway? Would be interested to know. Thanks!
 
yesterdays Advertiser showed the routes on page 4, wasnt very detailed though, I'll be looking for details in the SA Government websites
 
Hasn't it been painfully obvious that the west would boom for, say, decades?

I mean, its not very big and its bordered by the beach and the CBD, its pretty obvious that eventually the industrial areas would get squeezed out. Shame about the airport though ...
 
This is surely going to be one of the country's hot spots for the next 20 years. It's mind boggling that Adelaide's more prestigious suburbs extend out to the Nor East. Every other city I know the wealthier suburbs are inbetween the city and beach. Adelaide is a well designed city but they stuffed this up completely.

Draw a from the city to the beach, and follow Port Rd up to and imaginarily extent it to North Haven and there you have a triangle of solid growth for the next 2 decades.

Port is being redeveloped and will attract young professionals. Older areas like Royal Park, Woodville West, Flinders Park will gentrify. Astute young families and first home buyers will realise the potential and buy here. Close to the city, close to the bech, close to AAMI and Westlakes, good public transport. And then the Govt are sinking money into AAMI and possibly some light rail.

I've had a look at Royal Park and there is plenty of gentrification activity. Lots of older places getting bowled over and replaced with new houses. Big blocks in between Port and Westlakes with a light rail to be built to AAMI. Royal Park is a no brainer.
 
This is surely going to be one of the country's hot spots for the next 20 years. It's mind boggling that Adelaide's more prestigious suburbs extend out to the Nor East. Every other city I know the wealthier suburbs are inbetween the city and beach. Adelaide is a well designed city but they stuffed this up completely.

I really don't think the beach is that far from anyone in Adelaide! Remember everything is only 20min away ;). The Eastern suburbs do take in some very lovely foothill locations that are 5 min from the CBD and only 20 min from the beach so I Q how that is a stuff up. The beach is great but if you have to jump in your car and drive for a few minutes from the West what's a few more on top of that. Not all of the West is beachside.

Draw a from the city to the beach, and follow Port Rd up to and imaginarily extent it to North Haven and there you have a triangle of solid growth for the next 2 decades.

Port is being redeveloped and will attract young professionals. Older areas like Royal Park, Woodville West, Flinders Park will gentrify. Astute young families and first home buyers will realise the potential and buy here. Close to the city, close to the bech, close to AAMI and Westlakes, good public transport. And then the Govt are sinking money into AAMI and possibly some light rail.

I've had a look at Royal Park and there is plenty of gentrification activity. Lots of older places getting bowled over and replaced with new houses. Big blocks in between Port and Westlakes with a light rail to be built to AAMI. Royal Park is a no brainer.

Agree there will be solid growth in those areas in the next 2 decades but I also think most of Adelaide will experience this to a similar extent. I just don't feel the areas mentioned are necessarily undervalued compared to other suburbs as the gentrification secret was out some time ago. IMO this and the last boom was factored into the price.

Like any areas you would look at the immediate location of where you were buying as well as what the wider area has to offer. DD and simply buying in most places will see gains in the next 2 decades.

~Note the article shares the very optumistic views a successful Port Adelaide RE who also happens to live in the stuffed up part of Adelaide :).
 
I really don't think the beach is that far from anyone in Adelaide! Remember everything is only 20min away ;). The Eastern suburbs do take in some very lovely foothill locations that are 5 min from the CBD and only 20 min from the beach so I Q how that is a stuff up. The beach is great but if you have to jump in your car and drive for a few minutes from the West what's a few more on top of that. Not all of the West is beachside.
So you think that if hypothetically you picked up the eastern suburbs and put them near the beach then the land wouldn't be worth any more?

Perth and Sydney are cities a similar distance from the beach (to Adelaide). The expensive areas are inbetween the city and the beach. Why? Well the same reason the cities are near the beach and not 100km inland. Along the coast in both these cities land is almost always more expensive at the coast. Cronulla land is more expensive than Sutherland, Dee Why is more expensive than Frenchs Forest, Sorrento is more expensive than Warrick, Scarborough is more expensive than Innaloo. Why? because us Aussies like the beach.

The only reason Adelaide land is more expensive on the east side rather than the west side is because the town planners got it wrong and put the nice areas on the wrong side.
 
So you think that if hypothetically you picked up the eastern suburbs and put them near the beach then the land wouldn't be worth any more?

Perth and Sydney are cities a similar distance from the beach (to Adelaide). The expensive areas are inbetween the city and the beach. Why? Well the same reason the cities are near the beach and not 100km inland. Along the coast in both these cities land is almost always more expensive at the coast. Cronulla land is more expensive than Sutherland, Dee Why is more expensive than Frenchs Forest, Sorrento is more expensive than Warrick, Scarborough is more expensive than Innaloo. Why? because us Aussies like the beach.

The only reason Adelaide land is more expensive on the east side rather than the west side is because the town planners got it wrong and put the nice areas on the wrong side.

Those same properties near the beach or on the waterfront would be more expensive but most likely not the other 80% of properties on the flat West side of the city. A lot of the reasons for the values of the Eastern type suburb properties are more complex than the exact location.

An area of upper end homes that are expensive, exclusive and desirable will do equally as well in most well placed locations and the foothills and close proximity to the CBD are.

Infact this is one of the reasons you would not see the majority of the Western suburbs turn into anything resembling Eastern suburbs realestate in the next 2 decades. That is just my opinion though.

You would also still have the usual adjoining suburbs in the hypothetical Eastern Western suburbs that are cheaper because they are on the wrong side of the road or because there are pockets of smaller and cheaply built homes there even though the beach is only a minute or two further out. Look at Brighton Rd. Even the REA refer to property around there as being on the right side of the rd and the property prices reflect that.

You state Perth and Sydney are cities of similar distance from the beach to Adelaide and that the expensive areas are inbetween the city and the beach because of the same reason the cities are by the beach and not 100km away.

I'm still not clear however why you think it's wrong that the Eastern suburbs are not between the city and the sea. They are not exactly 100km away and I imagine a lot of the Eastern suburbs residents would prefer to live in the quiet of their foothills suburbs where others don't use it as a thoroughfare.

All Adelaide suburbs are close to beaches. It is infact one long narrow strip of housing that extends north to south. Travelling East to West takes no time at all when it's so narrow.
 
I've had a look at Royal Park and there is plenty of gentrification activity. Lots of older places getting bowled over and replaced with new houses. Big blocks in between Port and Westlakes with a light rail to be built to AAMI. Royal Park is a no brainer.

I hope you are correct with this. Do you speak with any authority on the matter, or are you gazing at your balls ?

Steveadl would be in a good position to comment, he's been there quite a lot....never been myself ;)
 
Well, I have been there, a lot! I have an IP there. What has been described by Awesome Wells is accurate; my niece and her hubby (both of who are well educated and professional people) have just bought a new home in a new estate at Exeter. 10 years ago, even 5 years ago this would have been unheard of :eek:; Exeter and the like being an area of very depressed land values and communities in difficult circumstances. Guess that means he isnt ball gazing, then, doesn't it!

It is true that Eastern suburbs are further away from the beach; more like 30 minutes than 20 minutes though; especially the nicer non-commercialised ones like at Glenelg. We never go there. More likely Grange and Henley Beach. We live in the Eastern suburbs. Beautiful areas, but the 'leafy gardens' are doing my pool in!

I think the West will boom; the Defence and Submarine contracts will bite in in late 2009 and 2010, bringing in both short term and long term, highly skilled people from interstate and overseas. Then there is the light rail link.
 
Those same properties near the beach or on the waterfront would be more expensive but most likely not the other 80% of properties on the flat West side of the city. A lot of the reasons for the values of the Eastern type suburb properties are more complex than the exact location.

An area of upper end homes that are expensive, exclusive and desirable will do equally as well in most well placed locations and the foothills and close proximity to the CBD are.

Infact this is one of the reasons you would not see the majority of the Western suburbs turn into anything resembling Eastern suburbs realestate in the next 2 decades. That is just my opinion though.

You would also still have the usual adjoining suburbs in the hypothetical Eastern Western suburbs that are cheaper because they are on the wrong side of the road or because there are pockets of smaller and cheaply built homes there even though the beach is only a minute or two further out. Look at Brighton Rd. Even the REA refer to property around there as being on the right side of the rd and the property prices reflect that.

You state Perth and Sydney are cities of similar distance from the beach to Adelaide and that the expensive areas are inbetween the city and the beach because of the same reason the cities are by the beach and not 100km away.

I'm still not clear however why you think it's wrong that the Eastern suburbs are not between the city and the sea. They are not exactly 100km away and I imagine a lot of the Eastern suburbs residents would prefer to live in the quiet of their foothills suburbs where others don't use it as a thoroughfare.

All Adelaide suburbs are close to beaches. It is infact one long narrow strip of housing that extends north to south. Travelling East to West takes no time at all when it's so narrow.
How can I be more clearer:

Land is more expensive closer to the coast. 1 block back from the beach is usually more expensive than 10 blocks back. 10 blocks back is uaually more expensive that 10km back. There's also no coincidence that most of our capital cities are built on the coast. And there's no coincidence that cities like Perth and Gold Coast stretch along the coast.

You're trying to say 20 mins is no different to 5 minutes away? Of course it is. Adelaide's wealthier suburbs were not built on the most desirable land. Not sure why that is so hard to acknowledge? I have no problems acknowledging that Long Bail Jail and the Oil Refinery at Kurnell were built in the wrong place.
 
I hope you are correct with this. Do you speak with any authority on the matter, or are you gazing at your balls ?

Steveadl would be in a good position to comment, he's been there quite a lot....never been myself ;)
Why are you asking me? I could tell you that I am the golden balls of Australian real estate. But then you'd have to ask me if I were lying.

Just analyse what I wrote and check if the facts I presented are correct, and whether the opinions are believable:

Facts to do DD:

1. Are the SA Govt spending money on AAMI?
2. Is there plans to put in light rail?
3. Do AV Jennings have 2x developments in the area?
4. Are AV Jennings a successful company who have a track record of picking winners?
5. Is there a lot of other development going on?

Opinions to consider:

6. Is this land desirable in terms public transport, amenities, beach, city vicinity?
7. Could it ride off the coat tails of Port, Semaphore etc?
8. Could it be under valued as traditional these are working class suburbs built on desirable land?

* realestate.com can give you the answers to 3, 4 & 5.
 
Adelaide's wealthier suburbs were not built on the most desirable land. Not sure why that is so hard to acknowledge?

Hmm, on that I dont agree. A block of land in Burnside and the like, will be way more expensive than a block of land that has no water view (ie not on the actual seafront)
 
Hmm, on that I dont agree. A block of land in Burnside and the like, will be way more expensive than a block of land that has no water view (ie not on the actual seafront)
That's because Burnside is an established leafy area.

Transpose those established leafy areas in the east and plonk them on land near the beach. Which will be more expenive?
 
How can I be more clearer:

Land is more expensive closer to the coast. 1 block back from the beach is usually more expensive than 10 blocks back. 10 blocks back is uaually more expensive that 10km back. There's also no coincidence that most of our capital cities are built on the coast. And there's no coincidence that cities like Perth and Gold Coast stretch along the coast.

You're trying to say 20 mins is no different to 5 minutes away? Of course it is. Adelaide's wealthier suburbs were not built on the most desirable land. Not sure why that is so hard to acknowledge? I have no problems acknowledging that Long Bail Jail and the Oil Refinery at Kurnell were built in the wrong place.

If you read my post I you would see that I didn't disagree with you when I said homes close to or on the waterfront would be more expensive but I don't think that all those homes further back (you yourself said cheaper as you go back) would increase the the value of the Eastern suburbs homes.

Eastern suburbs land is expensive. If this was a bad location which you seem to think is based on it not being nearer to the beach then why are homes of similar condition or size not cheaper. Look at small daggy Norwood units. They're still much more expensive than anything similar even within walking distance to pretty much most of the beaches.

You said yourself go back a few blocks and values drop. GC is like that and so are most other places including the seaside towns. So we both actually agree seafront or within a few blocks of it exceed the prices of other locations.
 
I don't think that all those homes further back (you yourself said cheaper as you go back) would increase the the value of the Eastern suburbs homes.
Of course they would.

If those Eastern suburbs were place in between the beach and city they would be more expensive than they would be between city and hills. if you were able to turn the city like a dial 180 degrees then the current eastern suburbs values would increase because they are now close to the beach whilst places like Glenelg would drop substantially.

Eastern suburbs land is expensive.
I don't think you understand what my point is.

Imagine if Adelaide didn't exist today. Then someone started to build a city. Where do you think the most valuable land is. Without a doubt it is the land between beach and city.

I don't think you're able to remove yourself from what currently makes eastern suburbs land expensive - leafy streets, nice houses, nice shopping precincts, lack of industry. Remove yourself from that and you may see my point.
 
one more thing:

this was a really good thread but now it has been derailed about something is not important. We're arguing over something that is irrelevant. And what's more I'm spending all my time trying to get you to understand my point.

Let's move on and talk about the western suburbs.
 
Yes they are and yes they do, another great estate here in Shellharbour NSW I can vouch for! Also their estate at Bankstown has flown off the shelves!
Is that located on the other side of Stacy St from Bankstown Forum? Is it one street of AV Jennings homes on each side? If so, I've seen that and it looked pretty good. Never knew it was AV Jennings though.

Can you tell me about your experience in Shellharbour? I'm considering snapping up a townhouse in Royal Park. What is good about them, what is bad about them?

ps just saw your sig. please declare if you work for AV Jennings!
 
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