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I couldn't even get to that issue
I mean I really did laugh out loud when I read that rentier capitalist entry! The kindest worst I can think of is 'naive' for such a reference to put down the people on this forum.. Marx and socialism.. really?!
I have more than average experience in this area, having lived and travelled extensively in Eastern Europe and had many soviet friends (back when there was a Soviet Union) through chess.
** edit.. The only time you hold Marx and socialism up to lecture people is when you are demonstrating what devastation socialism has brought to the world.
Chris,
Not a property investor, outright house owner of long standing and joined to keep an eye on an important market.
We have seen housing become less, not more, affordable with time, although this needs to be qualified with respect to quality and size of houses.
Yes, it is important that housing investors manage their investments well and that probably should be a large part of the discussions on this forum.
I would hope that investors are in a better position to suggest how to increase housing affordability rather than how to hoard housing. To be seen to be providing valuable services or to be seen trying to "molopolize" housing services.
If you see a renter who expresses an interest in owning, what could the investor do for them?
All threads on Somersoft are bright Chrispy, just some are more brighter than others!Andrew - I must admit I also laughed out loud when I read the description
You are right - It does brighten up the forum
Chris
I couldn't even get to that issue
I mean I really did laugh out loud when I read that rentier capitalist entry! The kindest worst I can think of is 'naive' for such a reference to put down the people on this forum.. Marx and socialism.. really?!
I have more than average experience in this area, having lived and travelled extensively in Eastern Europe and had many soviet friends (back when there was a Soviet Union) through chess.
** edit.. The only time you hold Marx and socialism up to lecture people is when you are demonstrating what devastation socialism has brought to the world.
Ah, sees "Marx", sees "socialism"; brain switches into programmed response.
I suggest moving past the labels and programmed responses.
Rentier capitalists don't add much that is useful to society. Renting out houses is useful to a limited degree but it does not add much. Building or renovating adds more value.
What value do you add?
Sell the property to them at a heavily marked up price and then use the extra capital to buy two more properties.
Sell the property to them at a heavily marked up price and then use the extra capital to buy two more properties.
I believe you, I do.
Programmed by my experiences walking through and living in the aftermath. Am interested in your experiences with socialism and why you think there might be wisdom in there for us to follow.
Good advice.
Well I'm a renovator!? Not a very good one though (really ordinary actually) so I might not add that much value to whatever.
I try and good be a good person (honest I do) but you would need to define what you consider value before anybody could answer that.
Indeed, I'm a capitalist pig.
Seriously Nullagine, If you feel so strongly about it then go start a career in politics and invoke some policies that will help "housing affordability".
People who come to this forum do so for the reason of property investing. Telling us that we should get together and work out how to solve the "housing affordability crisis" is only going to end up in deaf ears. It's simply not reason why where are here.
In addition, coming here and insulting property investors by alluding that we are not productive to society is not the way to rally support. If I'm not mistaken, I believe you are intentional looking for an argument. If this is true, then YOU'RE the one being unproductive.
If you can prove that YOU can develop "affordable housing" and still make a tidy profit, I'm sure there would many people on this forum willing to hear you out.
Seriously Nullagine, If you feel so strongly about it then go start a career in politics and invoke some policies that will help "housing affordability".
People who come to this forum do so for the reason of property investing. Telling us that we should get together and work out how to solve the "housing affordability crisis" is only going to end up in deaf ears. It's simply not reason why where are here.
In addition, coming here and insulting property investors by alluding that we are not productive to society is not the way to rally support. If I'm not mistaken, I believe you are intentional looking for an argument. If this is true, then YOU'RE the one being unproductive.
If you can prove that YOU can develop "affordable housing" and still make a tidy profit, I'm sure there would many people on this forum willing to hear you out.
Nulla
I run financial literacy classes free of charge for low income people to help them educate themselves to get out of poverty - what do you do?
I lease flats at lower than normal rates to help low income people live somewhere - what do you do?
I live off the rents and do not take a pension - what do you live on?
I was brought up in a socialist household so know all the arguments - I believe in stop arguing and getting out there and doing something
Chris
I run financial literacy classes free of charge for low income people to help them educate themselves to get out of poverty - what do you do?
I lease flats at lower than normal rates to help low income people live somewhere - what do you do?
I live off the rents and do not take a pension - what do you live on?
I was brought up in a socialist household so know all the arguments - I believe in stop arguing and getting out there and doing something
Chris
Socialism was a response to societies highly polarized into haves and have-nots.
Through death duties / inheritance taxes, progressive income tax and the like, the polarization was reduced somewhat - and most of us benefit directly, daily. It would be a pity to have to go through that again.
However, the rich and wealthy (with whom I think many would classify me), always find ways and means of bending things to their advantage.
I think we are seeing increased polarization more recently.
The message from history may be that we had better watch that the rich and wealthy serve societies interests while also serving their own else we may expect unproductive discord.
Not many individuals add a lot of value apart from being pleasant company occassionally. Perhaps people like Alexander Fleming who isolated penicillin do?
In the context of residential property, it would seem to me that the people who create or maintain inspiring, affordable, sought after and profitable places to live that would be the truely inspiring ones.
The original post was wondering why the inspiration quotient is low. I say there's only so much inspiration to be had from a killer deal or the like.
Glad to be of service with a reasonably well aimed insult which I hope is helpful. I must admit to over fondness of a useful arguement.
I regret that I have no practical ideas of how to make a buck while improving housing affordability. So far, devoid of my own ideas, I seek in vain for those of others and the best I can do todate is offer a pointed insult. Still aboriginees got by with pointed sticks.
Oink. (Capitalistpig-speak for: Hello, capitalist comrade!)
Personally, I don't feel insulted. Because, really, I don't care about other people's opinions of me. Isn't insensitivity wonderful?
Alex
Would be nice to be useful as an educator but my deskside manner is dreadfull beyond repair.
I live off royalties, interest and dividends - almost the full rentier capitalists' fare but not real estate rents. All my attempts to invent again have failed leaving me at a rather loose end.
Glad you have found something to act on. Hope I do soon.
The bobs existed before this new money BB. Maybe two bob's worth was a considered opinion and two cents worth is just a cheap throwaway line?The price of inflation,
It used to be 2 cents
Dave
Nullagine I think you highlight an important aspect of housing unaffordability and what can be done about it - however I think the answer is in people increasing their own financial literacy and taking action rather than have their problems solved for them which cannot help them in the long run.
If every rich person gave more than the world would be a different place - you could start by looking at how you could improve the world....
See: City of Austin - S.M.A.R.T. Housing
The problem you seek to solve is not a new one (refer to link), but you wont solve it on SS.
M
hmmmm - so the fact that i won't be selfishly drawing on tax payers of the future to provide my pension, housing, medical and aged costs in years to come make me self serving - fair enough - bring it on!
ah - now i feel warm a fuzzy. as a developer, who turns one dwelling into 3-4 dwellings i have the approval of both hg and nulla.
now i can sleep well at night.
