What is your NET WORTH?

What is your NET WORTH?

  • <100,000

    Votes: 10 6.1%
  • 100,000-300,000

    Votes: 26 16.0%
  • 300,000-500,000

    Votes: 27 16.6%
  • 500,000-800,000

    Votes: 16 9.8%
  • 800,000-1 million

    Votes: 15 9.2%
  • 1 million -1.5 million

    Votes: 22 13.5%
  • 1.5 million -2 million

    Votes: 19 11.7%
  • >2million

    Votes: 16 9.8%
  • >5 million

    Votes: 12 7.4%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
I guess you would expect that on a forum for prop investment due to a stellar 15 years for the average to be above 450k (approx the Australian housegold avg wealth)

Those of us recently looking for first homes though don't seem to have voted? unless there are a lot of rich 20/30 somethings out there.

A good second poll would be how old are people here. I think people lie about their age even more than money?
 
G'Day

Regarding the 'only earning $130,000' comment

According to http://www.emigratetoaustralia.org/average-wages-australia.html the average Australian Wage for 2010 was Male Full Time $64,641 and Female Full Time $56,950.

Miners are the highest paid at $103,111 per annum

So who are these people who are earning 'only' $120,000 per year?

In all the years I have been in broking, where I get to look right through people's financial sock drawers, I have met one female earning $252,000 pa base salary (plus superannuation) and two males (one of whom was her Husband) and one female, on salary, earning more than $165,000 per annum.

None of these were Doctors or in the medical professions, although interestingly both ladies were highly qualified legal counsels (but neither worked in law at the time).

Some of the highest net worth individuals I have met (and most of whom did not speak English as a first language) have never, ever, earned the Average Australian Wage from their day job, but all of them have bought standard residential property at a level they could afford as often as they could afford to do so.

And their concept of when they could afford to do so was a lot more frequently than many people on higher incomes would ever dream of doing.

Not for them a high disposable income. If they had more than they directly needed, they bought another property and committed the 'loose change' as soon as they could.

Thirty years ago I did the pays for a company which sent crews out to run quality control on the welding of some really major pipelines, on gas rigs and in other inhospitable places.

The men weren't paid an unusually high hourly rate, but were paid for 97 equivalent ordinary hours per week, plus height money, site allowances, skill allowances, remote allowances etc

So in 1980 these men were earning $1,000 per week, and taking home $1,000 per week. It was hard, dirty, remote, and frequently dangerous work.

At the end of each job, most were broke. The earned it, they spent it. They thought the gravy train would roll on forever. Very few even had a house to put the money into the mortgage.

But some did. A few of those men valued themselves, and their families, enough to put that very hard earned money into something valuable.

We all work hard for our money. No body has it handed to them on a plate.

It doesn't matter whether we invest in property because we 'love' houses, or because we 'hate' poverty, or for any number of reasons. We are all here on this board because we can all learn a thing or two and hopefully are humble enough to realise that we don't know it all

It is only when we realise that we don't know something, that we have any chance at all of learning it.

Or, indeed, of earning it.

Cheers
Kristine
 
errr i think you might be slightly skewed- there are people getting paid more than that even though the miners have an average of 103K+

I can only talk on IT jobs being that is the area i have worked in. Cisco certified engineer in IT working for the defence navy boat - could earn 250K base easy. IT strategist at gartner earning 240K base. consultants who have experience working on certain technologies like SAP, CRM systems i only verify that on people who have work experience. A lot of investment banking execs also earn that more than that. a lot of highly technical jobs also pay quite a bit eventhough it's not an executive level.

i think the person was talking about fresh grads - 130k - i was suprised, asked which companies, was told to do my own research not sure why it's a big secret - so didn't really worry pursuing it.
 
I think ppl are getting a bit carried away with who earns how much and then somehow try and automatically translate it to if you earn high bucks you might have a high net worth.

Although, it might seem logical it is not always true.

If you can earn more money you just have the skill to earn more money by trading your time. It doesn't help you to increase/improve your net worth unless you develop other skills like saving/investing.

Anyone with even average salary can increase their net worth way beyond someone on 2 or 3 times average salary by savings and/or investing.

For all the high flyers out there thinking they can earn $200K+. My question to you is how quickly do you reckon you can earn that sort of money based on your net worth and not by trading your time for money? Unless the answer is in single digit years you are just like the average joe when it comes to investing. You might just be good at trading your time for money and nothing else. It will just be a matter of time when age and next generation of smart ppl catches up to your level and will be ready to replace you.



Cheers,
Oracle.
 
I think ppl are getting a bit carried away with who earns how much and then somehow try and automatically translate it to if you earn high bucks you might have a high net worth.

Although, it might seem logical it is not always true.

If you can earn more money you just have the skill to earn more money by trading your time. It doesn't help you to increase/improve your net worth unless you develop other skills like saving/investing.

Anyone with even average salary can increase their net worth way beyond someone on 2 or 3 times average salary by savings and/or investing.

For all the high flyers out there thinking they can earn $200K+. My question to you is how quickly do you reckon you can earn that sort of money based on your net worth and not by trading your time for money? Unless the answer is in single digit years you are just like the average joe when it comes to investing. You might just be good at trading your time for money and nothing else. It will just be a matter of time when age and next generation of smart ppl catches up to your level and will be ready to replace you.


Cheers,
Oracle.

I can tell you some ppl in IT are overpaid for what they do. I don't consider myself a high flyer and i don't earn 200K or anything like that
google SAP jobs in IT and see - it's not like those jobs where you work till 5am. it's a regular 9-5pm job. They paid big bucks just coz they're specialist in their area.
 
Why are you guys so angry that I said 130k is considered low for 15 years work? Are you all working for 20 years and only earning 100k?

The facts are the facts - no one here is trying to be 'average' so why are you comparing to the 'average' person? The average person lives in typical fringe suburbia with their only asset being their house - this is not the profile of the typical forum-poster on SS
 
I can tell you some ppl in IT are overpaid for what they do. I don't consider myself a high flyer and i don't earn 200K or anything like that
google SAP jobs in IT and see - it's not like those jobs where you work till 5am. it's a regular 9-5pm job. They paid big bucks just coz they're specialist in their area.

True - but then when the ***** hits the fan - their skills are too specialised and they can't get the same pay/job that they used to have. It's all about risk-return
 
i think the person was talking about fresh grads - 130k - i was suprised, asked which companies, was told to do my own research not sure why it's a big secret - so didn't really worry pursuing it.

It's not a big secret, but I just didn't want to harp on about it, especially because the grad intakes are so small at some of these places that the moment I start talking firms, it's not very nice.

Anyway I included the bonus component in the $130k package in case you're confused. While bonuses are discretionary, in most of these industries, if a minimum level of bonus was not paid you'd probably lose half your team overnight and for some of these international firm it'll then take several years to reclaim market share. Bonuses in these industries are akin to tips at US restaurants, albeit more sticky.

And Oracle is right, it's about how you invest your money at that level (ie the $200k mark). And the more years you have down your belt already (ie the older you are before you earn this sort of income), the more you need to invest wisely, because you don't have much time left with which you could trade with nor much upside (eg if you're 50 and earning that sort of income, is there really much more upside in trading your time?). If you're 22 or 23 and earning that sort of money by trading your time, you're probably a little bit safer, given you have more time to invest, more time to trade with and there's probably more upside in your job at the very least.
 
Why are you guys so angry that I said 130k is considered low for 15 years work? Are you all working for 20 years and only earning 100k?

The facts are the facts - no one here is trying to be 'average' so why are you comparing to the 'average' person? The average person lives in typical fringe suburbia with their only asset being their house - this is not the profile of the typical forum-poster on SS

that is true and a fair call - there are always people who excel and those who don't. I wouldn't want to have my own asset as my PPOR.
 
A few very intelligent chaps did an amazing amount of research and came up with the formula ;

Nett Worth = 0.112 * Age * Income



Hence, if you were 50, and were on 80K pa, you were supposed to be worth ;

Nett Worth = 0.112 * 50 * 80 = 448 K


That was the baseline they used. If you were 50, were on 80K pa and worth more than 448 K, you were deemed an over-achiever.


Being only 40, and currently on 15K pa, I'm expected to be worth = 0.112 * 40 * 15 = 67K, so at this stage am classified as an underachiever.


Never mind, I can darn socks pretty good.
 
True - but then when the ***** hits the fan - their skills are too specialised and they can't get the same pay/job that they used to have. It's all about risk-return

Actually that's yes and no. there are some really specific skillset which is so damn specific that only a few companies have them. As for SAP - only blue chip companies will hire these people as the software itself minimum component is a million plus dollars and it's programming done in german syntax

As for cisco networking - always in demand everywhere. From a navy boat to a utility company to an accouting firm

To be honest - i can't take it in IT having been in there 8+ years -at my last place there are guys who wear sunglasses at work, dudes who collect melways and a guy talking about packets going here and there. Someone even collects old mobile phones as a hobby. sometimes i feel like i'm in the movie "revenge of the nerds".
 
A few very intelligent chaps did an amazing amount of research and came up with the formula ;

Nett Worth = 0.112 * Age * Income



Hence, if you were 50, and were on 80K pa, you were supposed to be worth ;

Nett Worth = 0.112 * 50 * 80 = 448 K


That was the baseline they used. If you were 50, were on 80K pa and worth more than 448 K, you were deemed an over-achiever.


Being only 40, and currently on 15K pa, I'm expected to be worth = 0.112 * 40 * 15 = 67K, so at this stage am classified as an underachiever.


Never mind, I can darn socks pretty good.

Wow a bit over... but not by much

best I learn to darn socks as well
 
lol I wouldn't mind getting a nice package!

Although - I don't know why you'd want to get the *** if you're just sitting around getting paid decent money for nothing
 
lol I wouldn't mind getting a nice package!

Although - I don't know why you'd want to get the *** if you're just sitting around getting paid decent money for nothing

sometimes it can feel boring and repetitive wihtout all the freedom to take advantage of the time etc
 
imagine you're eating the same meal for 365 days 3 times a day. Maybe after100 days it's still bearable. money's not that great either in my opinion.

Once you accumulated it ain't worth it to just quit. i will only go if i get retrenched. thereby the tax benefits outweigh the thought of leaving.

If you understand how it works here there are ppl who get retrenched and come back the following month as a contractor. there is a dude who came back 4 times and still counting. Can't over disclose too much, my manager is a regular posted and viewer of this fourm.
 
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