A lose-lose election for home buyers

All - an article today in The Age by Steve Keen. I fully agree with him. Maybe it is time for a little short term speculation? This will push prices up for a little while if they actually go ahead with it. No change to my long term view though.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/a-loselose-election-for-home-buyers/2007/11/14/1194766769163.html

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If both parties keep their promises, the affordability crisis for first-home buyers will worsen, writes Steve Keen.

BOTH Liberal and Labor housing policies will make Australia's debt and housing affordability crises worse. The only difference between the two is how much damage they will do.

Both parties have promised tax-advantaged savings systems that will enable first-home buyers to accumulate larger deposits. This will help them compete with other buyers in the housing market, but the problem isn't a lack of competition among buyers. The real problem is that we've driven house prices far too high by devoting far too much borrowed money to buying houses. By increasing deposits while doing nothing about loans, both parties will only add fuel to the fire.

The ALP gives the example of a two-income family, earning average wages, who could increase their deposit by $18,000 as a result of its scheme (and the Liberals' scheme is much the same). That looks good on paper. But without any change to lending policies, that larger deposit will simply be used to secure a larger loan — up to $360,000 larger, if Mr and Ms First Home Buyer try to buy a house with a 5 per cent deposit.

Of course, no lender would offer such a loan — because even with an 8 per cent home loan rate, interest payments would consume 140 per cent of their gross income. But they could easily be offered an interest-only loan equivalent to 85 per cent of the purchase price, with repayments of 47 per cent of their income.

And what would that do to home affordability? Make it worse, of course. A fair slab of their increased purchasing power would be eaten up by yet higher prices, driven by ever higher household debt.

The Liberals' scheme is even worse, because it adds three more logs to the house-price fire — it allows relatives to contribute up to $1000 a year to the savings account, it lets relatives take an equity stake in the first-home buyer's house, without being liable for capital gains tax on its sale, and it promises to use future government surpluses to top up these savings accounts.

We have already achieved the world's most unaffordable housing with loans that are based solely on the incomes of the borrowers. This proposal would throw parents' income and government savings into the mix, and therefore push mortgage debt beyond its already astronomical level. It's a silly step towards the madness that marked the peak of Japan's ill-fated "bubble economy" in 1990, when lenders briefly offered 99-year mortgages.

We thus face a choice between a bad housing policy and an almost insane one. I hope that neither represents what either party really thinks is needed, but is instead a product of this "me too" election campaign, where each side is afraid of suggesting a policy that can be "wedged" by its opponent.

With the parties offering us a Hobson's Choice on housing in this election, the best we can hope for is that whoever wins ditches their campaign promise and instead develops a policy that restores some parity between mortgage debt and income — perhaps by limiting loans to some sensible multiple of the rental income a house can be expected to generate.

Steve Keen is associate professor at the school of economics and finance, University of Western Sydney.
 
You're not even willing to hold property for the long term, bailed because you saw (at least 2 years too early) a short term bust, and you're suggesting short term speculation? With the sort of transaction costs that property has? Good luck. Why didn't you go nuts buying property when they put in the FHOG?

When people realise that they can't afford the house they want, and that situation won't change, THAT's when property becomes affordable. Because they'll lower their standards.
Alex
 
You're not even willing to hold property for the long term, bailed because you saw (at least 2 years too early) a short term bust, and you're suggesting short term speculation? With the sort of transaction costs that property has? Good luck. Why didn't you go nuts buying property when they put in the FHOG?

No - just kidding on the speculation. I wouldn't do it. But I think a short term spike will happen.

When people realise that they can't afford the house they want, and that situation won't change, THAT's when property becomes affordable. Because they'll lower their standards.
Alex
keep reassuring yourself ....
 
What a great policy. My existing properties will increase in value and I'll be able to save money tax free as I've yet to own a PPOR. And then when it all comes crashing down I'll be able to buy up more as I've got solid experience in property investing.
 
I dont think you'd get a short term spike, because different FHO buyers will get to their savings goals at different times. Some might get into the market in 1 year, some might take 5. But there will be an overall increase in demand, and I think that's a win for the property investors, but not the FHO buyers.
 
Of course, we are assuming that the supposed tax advantaged savings systems will actually result in the FHB's saving extra money for a house deposit. Good luck.

There is one sure thing that happens with the financially uneducated; give them more money and they will spend it on more crapola.

Think back to the $2000 per child govt handout a few years ago that was supposed to help out the parents with child care costs; there was an explosion of sales in plasmas, jetskis etc etc.

For what it's worth Yield, I think you worry unnecessarily; I believe that the usual market forces will self regulate.

The Banks will reign in their lending criteria and make it harder to obtain finance if the need should arise. It has already happened over here, and will happen in Aus. This means less buyers and smaller loan amounts with bigger deposits. The impact on housing will be a slow-down until the wages catch up a bit. Could take a few years.

The affordability crisis will self regulate also. Prices won't continue to go up if there is no-one around to buy the houses that are for sale. Of course, there are several different price-points in the housing market, and the more affluent will be less affected by all this stuff, so those price-points won't suffer to the same degree as others. While the housing prices slow down, the wages will keep sneaking up until the balance is restored.
 
What a great policy. My existing properties will increase in value and I'll be able to save money tax free as I've yet to own a PPOR. And then when it all comes crashing down I'll be able to buy up more as I've got solid experience in property investing.

As far as I know, you can't get the FHOG if you've bought IPs.

Basically you've threw away that opportunity forever as soon as you decided not to live in your first purchase.

[Edit: Whoops, you're talking about the new 'FHOG' stuff... I wonder if it's rules will be similar]
 
As far as I know, you can't get the FHOG if you've bought IPs.

Basically you've threw away that opportunity forever as soon as you decided not to live in your first purchase.

[Edit: Whoops, you're talking about the new 'FHOG' stuff... I wonder if it's rules will be similar]

On the contrary. The EXISTING FHOG rules state that if you bought an IP (never lived in it) AFTER June 2000, and you've never previously claimed the FHOG, then you can still qualify for the FHOG for a future PPOR purchase.

If you bought any property (IP or PPOR) PRIOR to Jun 2000, you're out of luck, however.

Specifically, from the Qld OSR website:

- Characteristics of a person that may be eligible for the Grant

http://www.osr.qld.gov.au/fhog/eligibility.shtml

* You must be a natural person, not a company or person acting in the capacity of trustee
* You, or a joint applicant, must be an Australian citizen or a permanent resident
* You must be at least 18 years of age when you entered into the eligible transaction (The Commissioner may consider an exemption from this requirement in certain circumstances)
* You and your spouse must not have received an earlier grant under the First Home Owner Grant Act 2000 or under a corresponding Act of an Australian State or Territory
* You and your spouse must not have previously held an interest in residential property in Australia prior to 1 July 2000. This includes investment homes
* You and your spouse must not have previously held an interest in residential property in Australia on or after 1 July 2000 in which you or your spouse have resided (Ownership of an investment property after 1 July 2000 will not prevent you from obtaining the Grant provided you have NOT lived in the home)

Alex
 
The problem is the election promises increase demand for housing, which doesn't solve the problem. Or does it? The party get's elected, which in the end is the REAL goal. :rolleyes:
 
The one thing a savings plan might do is encourage people to put money into savings accounts rather than plasmas. Which should lower inflation a little i think

Not that plasma's and electronics attributed to inflation (Aussie dollar meant cheaper electronics equipment) but i think you can see what i mean
 
Marc, they now get a baby bonus of $4000 per new born. ;)

It almost makes you want to have another one.

I love my son to death, but my financial brain is too strong for my emotional brain these days (plus I'm getting too old) and I think of the $250k (or more) to raise a child, plus the 30 years they live at home.

$4,000 doesn't offset those factors enough for me.
 
It almost makes you want to have another one.

I love my son to death, but my financial brain is too strong for my emotional brain these days (plus I'm getting too old) and I think of the $250k (or more) to raise a child, plus the 30 years they live at home.

$4,000 doesn't offset those factors enough for me.

Works better if you're on welfare. Get the $4k lump sum, then extra funding week to week for each extra kid :rolleyes:

Quite sad, my GF works in recruitment and in some cases is seeing the 3rd generation of people growing up on welfare - although hopefully this problem will be getting better with some of the inititatives/policies she tells me about.
 
Strange, I thought plasma's were going down in price! What else would they spend the money on? :p

Becoming a dad for the first time only 8 months ago and receiving the Baby Bonus I was totally shocked that the No1 use for this money is to buy a Plasma!

Everyone knows LCD is better...

Seriously though I believe affordability is being eroded by massive increases in fees and charges. I buy land to subdivide and pay stamp duty on the transaction, then I pay a host of council fees, then extortionate contributions fees, GST on the sale, then the new owner pays stamp duty again (even on the GST content). If I'm lucky enough to make a profit I then pay income tax.

On the subdivision I currently have selling there will be on average $200K in taxes paid on each property between Local, State and Federal (not including taxes on any profits).

On the Gold Coast contribution fees have gone from $2,800 per lot 2.5 years ago to $35,000 per lot today... and still rising.

Forget about the FHOG contribution fees will add more to the bottom line.

The billions in water saving initiatives currently being sprayed all over the place has to be paid by someone.

Mark
 
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Ouch Mark! Are your contribution fees increasing because your development is a larger scale than the standard?

If your splitting your backyard into 2 you will still have to pay $35K in contributions for the new block.

The contributions on the site I have on the coast in 2005 where $290K if I had to pay them today it would be close to $3.8mil.

Contributions are now a major cost of developing.

These fees are directly responsible for a slow down in developments, if there is no profit then no-one builds.

Supply/Demand....

When prices rise enough to cover the added expenses then developers will get back into the market. I obviously can't talk for everyone but this is what is stopping me from buying into more developments.

Contributions are an upfront fee, you have to carry this debt until the project sells it's way out of debt.

Those who are most vocal about affordability are themselves partly responsible for the high prices.

Mark
 
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