There is nothing wrong with retaining ones culture or religion or talking about the old country.along as they obey the law, pay taxes, be productive and treat others with respect, its all good..
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There is nothing wrong with retaining ones culture or religion or talking about the old country.along as they obey the law, pay taxes, be productive and treat others with respect, its all good..
Dead right.
You are talking about a sensible balance....
On the whole, from my observation over the last 50 years, I'd says this the case.
But, in the last 15 to 20 years, the pattern has changed and deteriorated.
Indeed which is why we should be very, very selective about who we allow in here, both in a broad (types/country of origin) and individual (police / ID checks) sense. Indians, as Bayview mentioned, are very hardworking people and tend to be great migrants. I welcome these kind of people. I detest those who come here, seek to leech off our generous welfare system, and breed children who will continue to be like them in a cycle of welfare dependency. These people should never be allowed to settle in this country because we do not owe them a living.
now, now; just leave the feral bogans out of this!
We already have that problem with people who are already here. You want to import more?
BV - i think you may need to read up on what the word assimilation means because what coastal said (and you supported) does not refer to assimilation but to integration. We certainly dont want assimilation in this country, a sea of beige would be terrible imo
Hell no.
Haven't you read any of my posts?
I want the gates shut.
None coming in, and all the ferals thrown out.
We've got enough folks now, and those here can produce a few zillion more in no time.
If the rules were really really selective about who comes - as you suggest - then I am for that, but will this happen, realistically?
But for me, it's not just about quality, but quantity for the sake of it. Everyone goes "yeah, we can handle shoit loads more!"
But can we, really? If manufacturing is going backwards, job losses are increasing (current figures), mechanisation of farming, cars, etc...these jobs will go.
What's replacing them in the short/medium term?
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But we don't seem to be doing a good job at it.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Products/3301.0~2011~Main+Features~Fertility+rates
No immigration, the population will start sliding backwards.
TBH I believe that we need to be actively increasing the population to a more sustainable level, ie circa 50m. Underutilised infrastructure costs can be shared over a greater number of tax payers, and efficiency measures which were too costly before can be productive investments.
Keep immigration out of major capitals over 2m, pushing them into the larger regional centres (Adelaide
), to increase demand and provide more jobs in retail, supply and a bunch of other industries which hire a large % of the population. And when are we going to start trying to poach educated and skilled talent from the US etc. Time to turn Australia from being a brain draining nation, to an importer of talent.
i know I'm old, but I wasn't there.
Based on the Aus we all live in today, I'd say they probably thought the Aborigines were a bunch of uncivilised heathens,
I imagine Aborigines would disagree with you...
Most people overseas don't know Australia has a welfare system...
I don't understand the point of this post and the previous one relating to it.
To better get your point across, why not suggest a place to look? Suggesting someone to go and research something is at best unhelpful and at worst disrespectful. The odds that BayView or anyone else could figure out the exact point you are trying to make from random Googling is very low. If you ask for help on a forum how would it feel if someone said 'spend 10 mins to read more depth about it'?
Or better yet, please give us the simple definition of the difference. As Einstien said, 'If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it'.
I apologise if it seemed curt but i have actually discussed this once with BV in the past and did in fact post links.
Here is a simple one, honestly just searching for "difference between assimilation and integration" will pull up lots of things and i dare say the odds of anyone working out my point would be pretty high.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_t...similation_and_integration_of_ethnic_relation
"Assimilation means absorbing minorities into the ways of the majority - requiring them to adopt the majority's language, customs and 'values'.
Integration, by contrast, requires acceptance of a country's laws, of human rights such as freedom of speech, and of basic democratic rights, but does not require the eradication of all cultural differences or group-identities; it is conceived of as a two-way process, through which both the majority and the minorities influence and change one another, and in which differences can be peacefully accommodated as long is there a common commitment to living together."
My point is that what coastal suggested (and BV agreed with) that "There is nothing wrong with retaining ones culture or religion or talking about the old country.along as they obey the law, pay taxes, be productive and treat others with respect, its all good.." refers to integration and not assimilation.
Assimilation would mean us telling people to leave their cultures at the door when entering this country and become the same as us - well firstly that is a silly idea and secondly what is australian culture? there is no singular aussie culture like say japan or some other countries. we are a big, vast country full of immigrants and so what PRECISELY would people assimilate into if that is what we are demanding they do (as so many people demand).
which aboriginal culture would they pick? Plus it's not what invading forces do, particularly an advanced society that moved in on a collection of various hunters and gatherers
Arguably, these two could be be interchanged and mean the same.
Assimilation is similar to intergration, as you wrote below...
Broadly speaking; yes.
I don't expect my BIL to walk around in thongs, wearin a blue singlet and fly hat, sucking on VB's and swearing.
I do expect him to be able to hold down a job, to talk more than passable English, to not live in enclaves/ghettos of only his own race and never associate with anyone else, to not rant and rave about how his religion is better than any other, to not commit crimes in the name of some idiotic cultural theme or religion from back home.
Just be a normal, decent person who is part of the joint. And make me a curry from time to time.
I know many, many folk from different cultures and they mostly retain an interest and a following of their culture.... As you do. No probs with that.
What I don't like seeing is when folk come here and try to replace the things we hold dear, and which have shaped this Country - with only their beliefs.
You can guess that the culprit is mainly the religious guff - that side of it that requires everyone else to change their whole way of life just to please a minority who whinge about everything they deem offensive.
There are certain cultural behaviors as well, but having the thread closed down is not worth them being mentioned....as it is guaranteed to be.
It is not one thing, but a collection of things, encompassing much that is desirable for people to come here....acceptance of folk who want to have a crack, who become part of the fabric, accept others and all religions and creeds.
This is why we have so much diversity.
But, there are those who come here and refuse to participate in any of it. I don't know why they would bother coming here, if that's the case.
It is something that you learn through observation when you arrive at the chosen Country you want to move to, and then get with the program.
I met many Aussies while in the USA, and they never seemed to have any probs gaining acceptance; they made the effort to fit in, to be a useful contributor, and so on.
EXACTLY
Australia has become the great place it is through integration of immigrants, the english first then the italians, greeks, vietnamese, germans in adelaide, indians etc
Not through assimilation of these cultures but integration. assimilation is a stupid idea, imagine if back then all these waves of immigrants were told they had to leave their culture at the door and assimilate, this would be a much worse off country than it is today