Yep I also agree with PG on this topic but it's a shame she got flustered judging by all her deleted posts. Women should be able to wear very short skirts in summer to enjoy a cool breeze and pants in the winter to keep warm. As long as they wear something nice and fashionable that's pleasing to the eye then I don't have any problems with what they wear.
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Yep I also agree with PG on this topic but it's a shame she got flustered judging by all her deleted posts. Women should be able to wear very short skirts in summer to enjoy a cool breeze and pants in the winter to keep warm. As long as they wear something nice and fashionable that's pleasing to the eye then I don't have any problems with what they wear.
In my office I want to see business attire - both men and women.
I don't care if it's the same thing but it needs to be well presented, freshly washed and look good.
Men with poor fitting business suits are a put off - it looks sloppy.
I like to see shirts and ties on men.
I'm a bit more relaxed on women as they can wear a dress and jacket and still look professional.
Maybe because I'm a female employer but I do not overlook anyone as it represents my business.
Last year 2 females were moved on due to sloppy dressing - kept coming to the office with jumpers and leggings despite multiple warnings.
Look at the standard IBM and apple have for their staff.
I don't care if it's the same thing but it needs to be well presented, freshly washed and look good.
Men with poor fitting business suits are a put off - it looks sloppy.
I like to see shirts and ties on men.
I'm a bit more relaxed on women as they can wear a dress and jacket and still look professional.
Maybe because I'm a female employer but I do not overlook anyone as it represents my business.
Last year 2 females were moved on due to sloppy dressing - kept coming to the office with jumpers and leggings despite multiple warnings.
Look at the standard IBM and apple have for their staff.
Xenia you are the business owner so fair enough, you are paying the wages, you set your own standards, nothing wrong with this IMO.
The standard with IBM and Apple, this where I differ in opinion, I think this is a marketing ploy and the casual, hip look is all about attracting certain clients and I actually like this very much. More interested in the service/product at the end of the day
I know there are plenty of government departments that allow their employees to dress casual on a Friday and they donate a gold coin on this day for the privilege. Though by casual coming in tracky dacks is not a good look, and I think most people would understand this.
MTR
Apple isn't too bad. At least they wear a 'uniform' of a bright TShirt, so you can tell who the employees are.
The place I hate to shop is JB HiFi. Their staff are all.....well....sloppy looking and extremely unprofessional. You can't tell who is a staff member which is really frustrating when you need service. At my local one, the most scary looking people in the store are often the staff. They seem to employ all those people who would not normally work in retail.
Hi MTR, I don't know about IBM, but you've just described pretty much the entire culture of Silicon Valley.
In my industry (financial planning), I always, always wear a suit and tie when going to visit clients/prospects. If I turned up wearing casual clothes, I would (quite rightly) not be taken seriously. It just doesn't look professional.
In the same vein, women that wear clothing that makes them look like they should be working at a nightclub as opposed to an office is acceptable (or at the very least, not frowned upon, as most managers/bosses are afraid of getting a sexual harrassment complaint if they expect women to dress appropriately).
As per one of PG's posts, where she took umbrage with the idea that not having exposed shoulders and/or back(!) was unacceptable and proof of discrimination against women. Still trying to wrap my noodle around the rationalisation of that one...
Let me give you an example. Last summer, we had one particular day when the temp rose to 43 degrees (or something along those lines). Normally, I would stay inside and stay cool, however I had to go do my grocery shopping that day. What I noticed was that pretty much all the women were dressed for the weather, but the men were all dressed as they are expected to dress every single day - slacks, long sleeved shirts, etc. In 43 degree weather.
Men don't have the luxury of being able to dress according to the weather and that's okay. That's the way it is, end of story. However, when women choose to dress like they work at a strip club, then why are they surprised when they aren't taken seriously? What I also don't understand is how women, who have far greater options when it comes to dressing for work still manage to believe they're being discriminated against.
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