Feasibility Study

Hi there all you forumites,

I am conducting a feasibility study on a development site im thinking of buying. The site suits up to 8 townhouses, it is 2490 sqm and zoned R30. The site is situated in a quite prestigious part of the western suburbs of perth, unfortunately, I dont want to disclose the actual location just yet, for obvious reasons.

I was wondering if anyone out there would mind having a little squizz at it for me and to see if I have missed anything out? All feedback would be appreciated. :)

Boods
 

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Apart from the agent making more money than the investors, and with no risk,

the only thing I noticed was I couldn't see any GST costs.

The investors have to come up with $623k, and the profit is $187k before cap gains tax, is that correct?
 
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Hi Boods,

For the amount of money this entire project will consume.....nigh on 10M, your margins are pretty slim.

One thing I played with was eliminating the Project Manager fees and the REA fees to sell the joints after completion.

That saved 350K over the 2 year project and bumped the Investor's ROR up to 46% and bumped the Project's actual ROR up from a measly 6.00% up to 10.86%.

If you don't know how to sell the properties after working with them intimately for 2 years and need to hand it over to someone swanning in just at the end then you need to go back and have another think IMO.

This project could be good, however I'd have a chat with people like Ausprop, who know only too well what increased construction costs and delays can do to your budget.

A developer did a similar thing in the western suburbs next door to one of our family friends. Bought the block 3 years ago for 650K, slapped up 4 townhouses for 400K each and then sold them all like hotcakes 2.5 years later for 900K each....no agent needed.
 
very very thin margins for such a massive investment - I am sure there are better ones around and if not, sit on the land for a while till the project returns 20% or thereabouts (if you can afford to do that) or perhaps find another one.

Uniform commentary across the nation predicting Perth resi prop to either fall from their peak or best case stagnate for while - so if the market goes down by 5% (can actually happen) then there goes your total margins (almost) for such a massive investment.

Harris


Hi there all you forumites,

I am conducting a feasibility study on a development site im thinking of buying. The site suits up to 8 townhouses, it is 2490 sqm and zoned R30. The site is situated in a quite prestigious part of the western suburbs of perth, unfortunately, I dont want to disclose the actual location just yet, for obvious reasons.

I was wondering if anyone out there would mind having a little squizz at it for me and to see if I have missed anything out? All feedback would be appreciated. :)

Boods
 
Thank you for the input, LA, Dazzling, Harris

I agree that the margin is quite skinny with those figures, however, as construction costs and selling costs are not arrived at to yet, these values are up in the air. The problem with this is that there are no developments like this in the suburb to base selling prices on using historical data, therefore, it's very hard to arrive at a price.

After talking to several agents who operate in or around this suburb, they have come back to me with estimates of betwee 1.2 mill and 1.5 mill sell price. If 1.2 mill - there is no deal, but at 1.5 mill, all of a sudded the project is returning over 23% wich is 3% over my target.

Another point is the construction costs...I have asked the agents to give an indication of what the prospective buyers are looking for. None of them gave a clear picture, in case of size (sqm) finishing standards (rate persqm) etc...

LA Aussie...I have not accounted for GST yet as the land is to be sold under the margin scheme, and I dont know what the individual units are going to sell for yet...however, point taken:)
Also, you are right, 187k profit on them figures, however, change selling price to aroung 1.5 mil, that changes to around about the 600k mark per investor.

Vendor has indicated that offers are welcom (with an offer of 2.5mil being rejected a couple of months ago, allegedly:rolleyes:)and is possibly willing to look at up to a year extended settlement.

I have also allowed 24 months for construction which in my opinion is too long, I think maybe 16 months???

We were going to try t sell most of them off the plan before construction commmenced, that is why I have allowed for agents and marketing...Im not fully up to scratch with the legalities of such deals...

Keep the comments coming, as Ive really hit the wall on this one...its very hard to tell if it is a goer or not!!

Cheers:)

Boods
 
I have never investigated this before, but from your figures it looks as if you are kicking in around $2.5M of your own money (borrowing 70%) - be it cash or equity that is available to you.

Even at 5% interest (which is easily obtainable, you should be able to get 8%), your $2.5M would earn you over $250K over two years (which seems to be your time frame) if simply banked.

IMHO, this "opportunity cost" should be taken into account in your figures and deducted from the profit as you are investing this into your development and thus NOT earning the interest you would otherwise get.

Of course, I may be totally wrong - maybe you have allowed for this elsewhere.
Marg
 
Fair point...
at the bottom of the spreadsheet, there is an amount labelled "number of investors"
I will probably be looking at going into this with 3 others, we all each go quarters.

As I mentioned above, if you change the sale prices to around 1.5mil and the build prices to around 550k each, the end result is each person puts in about 600k and gets back about 1.2mil, making a profit of just under 600k.(approx)

This represents about a 40% gain per year over the 2 years.(give or take!!)
IMHO you probably could not get that from the short term money markets?

Boods

Note: you can play around with the numbers on the spreadsheet...its very interesting to see what a change in value for one thing does to the whole project. Also, to change the construction costs and the selling prices, has to be done by adjusting the rate per sqm and sqm values. It's just the way I set it up.(not ideal:()

Thanks for all your comments:)

Boods
 
Never done a development before; but I couldn't see enough details in there to be a reasonable feasibility study, just general numbers?

But then again, I need things spelt out for me such as if I was an investor in something such as this i.e:-

Finance Establishment Fee
Interest on Loans
Stamp Duty on Transfer
Stamp Duty on Mortgage
Insurance
Rates & Taxes
Engineering
Soil Test
Permits
Site Clearing
Demolition
Conveyancing
Town Planning
Architect
Legal’s
Council Bond
Electricity
Drainage/Sewerage
Land Tax
Contingency and Misc

etc...

General list only dont hold me to it !!
 
Never done a development before; but I couldn't see enough details in there to be a reasonable feasibility study, just general numbers?

But then again, I need things spelt out for me such as if I was an investor in something such as this i.e:-

Finance Establishment Fee - included in bank fees

Interest on Loans - spelt out in interest section
Stamp Duty on Transfer - included in stamp duty figure
Stamp Duty on Mortgage - as above
Insurance- builder to cover insurance to handover
Rates & Taxes - included in rates
Engineering -architect to advise and employ - included in architect fee
Soil Test - point taken
Permits - could you specify what permits would be needed?
Site Clearing -site is vacant block of land
Demolition - as above
Conveyancing - point taken
Town Planning - point taken
Architect - included
Legal’s - included
Council Bond - ??
Electricity - included(western power)
Drainage/Sewerage - included
Land Tax - included
Contingency and Misc - included

etc...

General list only dont hold me to it !!

I have accounted for most of these items, however have amalgamated some for simplicity (probably not a great idea, I know)
To an extent, you are right, Redwing...I basically made reasonable estimates on the figures and then rounded them up(a lot!)
For the deal to work, it has to work on a worse case scenario.

Thanls for your input mate:)

Boods
 
Haven't got the time to sit down and look at the xls now, but Marg's point is significant.

When comparing 2 paths for your capital (and time, energy, stress), you have to compare your riskier return against the risk free rate.

At the moment, you should be able to get ~7%pa risk free.

Then when doing your feasibility, is a good idea to talk to developers over the age of 50 who have seen a few cycles, and get their opinion about interest rates and WA's economy and where prices might go from here. Many developers and local builders can be pretty generous with their advice, as long as you ask sensible questions after a bit of homework. They are particularly good for letting you know which builders & suppliers to use etc. And what the LGA town planners are like.

As for wondering what the market would pay for something like you intend, why not ask it? You could invest a few thousand in an advert with concept drawings and location. Offers of interest. Did you consider pre selling before getting finance? Mightn't be as much fat in it for you, but would take the bulk of the risk out of your first project.

You want to talk to a few builders as well and see whether anyone is offering fixed price contracts with reasonable clauses for variations and time runovers.

It's a better deal if you can have the builder be a partner in the deal with some skin in it, such as carrying the materials cost, He is then more likely to finish on time. Talk to a few of the local material suppliers to see if they can recommend a builder who does honest deals like that, and whether the suppliers are offering builders extended credit in these times.

Remember builders are always looking for savvy developers to form ongoing relationships with. Means more profit for them if you are readaing the market right and know the town plan better then they do.

If a builder sees you want to scale up or repeat, then he is more likely to take you seriously and prioritize your first job over others that spring up in the contract period.

And try and keep some capital free to commit to your next site. The builder will stay loyal if you have another site on offer.
 
WinstonWolf...

Are you sure you're not my father in law!!
This pretty much what he told me...speak to someone who has seen a few property cycles etc...good advice I think.

I was planning to sell most off the plan before construction, as the bank would probably require this and also for the SANF.

One of the people that will be participating is a builder, and he is quite keen to build them if the project ever gets off the ground.

Cheers

Boods
 
Hey Boods,

I was looking at your construction costs per sq metre, is $2400 a reasonable estimate for WA? I've got 4 places about to start in Adelaide and they will come in at about half that cost including landscaping, floor coverings etc and I don't think we are skimping on finish. It seems a big difference - would there be that much of a differential between WA and SA?

Tom
 
hiya Tommy...

This figure is arrived at by comparison to a development my friend is currently doing in a coastal development. It is allowing for the best finishes ie solid timber flooring, porcelein tiles, granite bench tops throughout...the development is in a very affluent western suburb and this is probably the minimum you would want to spend, in fear of undercapitalising on the land and its proximity.

As an example, my father in law works as a salesman for a quality builder, and most of their houses that they sell are between $450k and $600k. These houses have around about 290 to 360 sqm of living and have the standard range of fitting and fixtures, so if you add on around about 120k to finish off with the good stuff, the price soon get up there. Also, when building a multi unit development, most spec houses wont suit, so in comes the architect to design specifically for the site...builders will always charge a higher rate to build a one off rather than building on of there own houses, which they have probably built many times and become quite efficient at doing so.

The viability of the development all hinges on the construction costs and the selling prices...the construction costs I can find out in a reasonable amount of time and cost, but the selling prices wont be evident until the commitment is already made:(

Cheers

Boods
 
WinstonWolf...

Are you sure you're not my father in law!!
Cheers

Boods


Probably as wrinkly as your FIL Boods...:eek:

The best time to do your DD and explore all the options is now, not later. The diff between success and failure is often having the humbleness to accept you're new to the game.

Some further bases to cover and occasion for humility.

Ask the vendor why they want to sell.
Find out his timeline, how old he is, whether he has kids having kids, what they do for a living, whether he or his wife is sick, etc etc...the more you find out, the more you can get creative with a win/win deal.

Of course, you need to go straight to him. Don't do this through an agent. And there's no rule saying you can't talk to him directly. It is your money and risk after all, not the REA's.

Depending on his circumstances, see if he is open to being an equity partner. If he is, don't skimp on your lawyer when doing the contract.

If after doing your dd, you can't minimize the risk, tell the vendor you're passing on it until you can reduce risk. Let him hold it. If you can't make the numbers work, it is likely more experienced guys would leave it alone as well. And that's another advantage of talking to the other developers and builders in the area. If you get inside their heads, you'll know whether their likely to sniff out the site after you pause.

Make sure you let the vendor know you would still be interested if his circumstances change. If he is playing it cool, but gets cold feet on another interest rate announcement from the RBA or similar, you want to be the first guy he calls.

Apart from that, I'd suggest you get out there and start looking for other sites within the same LGA. Will help you stop obsessing about this one, and expose you to some fresh ideas.

A good idea to get to know the town planners n the one LGA and suck their brains dry. If you become specialists in that area, you'll be able to repeat and scale off what you are learning.

Depending on your location, keep in mind that people over 55 tend to steer away from multilevel townhouses (stairs, underground garages). Lots of them have dickie knees and hips...

Though if you are a first in the burb with minimal maintenance dwellings, could be a nice selling point.

Pays to remember that developing at this level requires a professional and disciplined mindset. Better to realize you are building a skill set and systems to reproduce multiple projects. The deals should get easier as you get older. If you cover all the permutations and talk to as many people as possible now, you'll be setting yourself up to be a better developer on your subsequent projects.

Some things to mull over:

- I presume you are building for owner occupiers. Remember you have to WOW the wife....do that and she'll sell to the husband...

- never accept the zoning and regs the town planner gives you. Use an architect or builder who knows the TPs and can sell them on relaxing the code for a bit of eco or otherwise innovative design.....

- get inside the code yourself....study it...find out about where they're likely to relax it, where they might change it in the future, what politics the council have....a lot of these guys have a green bias at the moment....something you can exploit in seeking code relaxation. i.e. discrete solar roof top panels and water tanks under the driveways for extra internal m2's. maybe you can haggle another level, and do single level apartments with a central lift well..better for the oldies and noise abatement and internal light, and gives more green space around the perimeter.

- don't overengineer....negotiate something with the TPs that's novel and catches the imagination of the market...

Finally, re the macroeconomic outlook. my 2 cents worth (and that's all it's worth) I expect another rate rise or two. But not more than 3 all up in the next 3 years. I think they'll bring rates down in 2-3 years. Rationale? foreign credit will continue to tighten. Local banks will be doin the work for the RBA anyways. House approvals are dropping. Domestic economy is slowing in rate of growth. Previous rate rises are starting to feed inflation now....

Perth pros and cons: continued migration from UKers wanting to escape half the Asian sub continent moving over there. and Pom BBs and Gen Xs wanting the good life in the sunshine. OTOH, a flattenng of growth in mining sector.

So the way I read it, a bit of a plateau in growth due to everyone freaking about cost of credit, then demand gradually climbing again within 18-24 mths.....but keepyoureyesopen for how much new stock others are bringing onto the market. If anyone starts discounting heavily, that's bad....
 
Boods, here's a thread by Michael WHyte unargubaly the best resource on the forum in relation to a new guy having a crack at a multiunit development.

Michael has been totally transparent with his costs and progress and obstacles, and is obviously a smart articulate guy worth listening to.
 
hi boods99
sorry to say that I put your data into one of my spread sheets not from a investor point of view but a margin point of view.
and you would need to sell the properties at min1.5mil each ex gst to make a 17.89% margin and a lender requires 21% margin
so if your build pricing is correct and I work the numbers back to 85sq units and they seem about right if anything a bit low at 204 per 85sq and the rate is about 325 per 85 sq the margin is not there and if I do it off your figures.
its .034% margin.
I don't think you will geta lot of investors wanting to go for it.
you need to be upwards of 25% to get investors wanting to invest and even then it depends on there out at the end.
my spread sheets are lenders spread sheet for evaluation but I also have dev 6 which is a very good programme to evaluate a site.
also you won't get alot of lenders above 60% into the land unless you use mezz funding and then you are not paying 9% you will be into 16 or 18% the construct is fine but the land component is always the problem.
and 18% over 2 years is a very big chunk of interest on say 900k thats 324 k
also the excel is a little raw in that you don't take the interest a a straight line as there are draw downs along the way so to do it as a staright line is best to discount the interest by about 25% and that gives you a very good idea of the true interest to be paid.
but dev 6 does all that for you.
 
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