Goods & Services that Have Risen in Price Due to The Carbon Tax

[Dazz]

So all the countries that have had, have now or will have a carbon Tax are left wing loonies? There are 850 million people living under a CT now. Think you guys are getting a bit excited again

So 6,150 million people do not live under a Carbon Tax.

The US has utterly rejected it.

Canada utterly rejected it.

Listening to the NZ Prime Minister the other day, John Key reckons it was a complete balls up and they had plans to wind it back.

Australia - in time, will also utterly reject it.

 

[evand]

6,150,999 million of those live in impoverished third world countries. And of course an ultra right wing economic rationalist country like the US will reject it.

So 6,150 million people do not live under a Carbon Tax.

The US has utterly rejected it.

Canada utterly rejected it.

Listening to the NZ Prime Minister the other day, John Key reckons it was a complete balls up and they had plans to wind it back.

Australia - in time, will also utterly reject it.

 

[eKwatee]

Tony has a thing called direct action or something. Which involves plating 1 billion trees, which has been costed independently at larger than the $70 billion black hole he already has in his policy funding. Or lack of.

If 22.5 million Australians plant 45 trees each, this is more than 1 billion trees. I would much rather be responsible for planting my 45 trees & be done with it, then have The Carbon Tax Scam, sending millions offshore to buy credits that have nothing to do with helping the environment.

I actually planted 50 native trees last month on a piece of land I own at a cost of $1 each, purchased from trees for life. I'm sure 22.5 million Aussies can cough up $50 each, much better plan than the Carbon Tax Scam. Country would probably look a little better too.

 

[Sunfish]

Please explain?



Of course it has nothing to do with massive debt and the GFC?

Please explain where the massive debt came from? Socialistic spending on green energy, among other things? You just can't waste a country's capital and blame your crisis on bad luck.

 

[Sunfish]

Your overwhelming evidence has convinced me. Now you just have to convince the Liberal Party, who the majority of Australians support to reduce our emissions by 5% by 2020, which is of course the same as the current target.

The libs haven't actually DONE any harm yet. That 5% will never happen and we all know it. Abbott will look at the high approval of Newman while he cuts virtually all green programs and it may give him enough backbone to follow. I'd rather vote for someone who MIGHT do the right thing than someone who could not possibly do so.

 

[Aaron_C]

What's probably going to happen is when/if Tony Abbott gets into power he is going to blame Labor's budget black hole and cut back on his funding for the 'direct action' policy. Which is fine of course, blame it on Labor and save money at the same time.

 

[Sunfish]

What's probably going to happen is when/if Tony Abbott gets into power he is going to blame Labor's budget black hole and cut back on his funding for the 'direct action' policy. Which is fine of course, blame it on Labor and save money at the same time.

Pretty simple, if you ask me.

 

[evand]

This gets more bizarre by the day. I can see one year old babies, mentally and physically disabled, 90 year old seniors etc planting 46 trees. Are you guys for real?

If 22.5 million Australians plant 45 trees each, this is more than 1 billion trees. I would much rather be responsible for planting my 45 trees & be done with it, then have The Carbon Tax Scam, sending millions offshore to buy credits that have nothing to do with helping the environment.

I actually planted 50 native trees last month on a piece of land I own at a cost of $1 each, purchased from trees for life. I'm sure 22.5 million Aussies can cough up $50 each, much better plan than the Carbon Tax Scam. Country would probably look a little better too.

 

[evand]

Yore not serious. Green energy was a negligible %. As with most of these bankrupt countries, the debt came from raising living standards across the board. Mostly caused by politicians promises.

Please explain where the massive debt came from? Socialistic spending on green energy, among other things? You just can't waste a country's capital and blame your crisis on bad luck.

 

[eKwatee]

This gets more bizarre by the day. I can see one year old babies, mentally and physically disabled, 90 year old seniors etc planting 46 trees. Are you guys for real?

I wasn't speaking literally....I took the average figure as the example & to make the point.

But maybe we could have the dole bludging Green voters planting more than their share, they could plant for the elderly & the babies. Imagine that, they might even feel that they are contributing instead of leaching

and BTW, I've already ordered my 500 native trees for next years planting on my land at a total cost of $55 (trees for life) and that's for the whole 500, which me & 2 others will plant out in approximately 7 hours.

Planting 1 billion trees is not too difficult. Definitively better than the Carbon Tax SCAM!

 

[HotRod]

Your overwhelming evidence has convinced me. Now you just have to convince the Liberal Party, who the majority of Australians support to reduce our emissions by 5% by 2020, which is of course the same as the current target.

With both major parties supporting the same emission reduction target, I think that speaks volumes about what the majority want... You look to have a big job in front of you!

I heard on the radio when the PM was IVed that it is not a 5% reduction in today's levels, but a 5% reduction in the annual growth in CO2 emissions today in 2020.

What a load of carp!!!!!

All this mistargeted taxing for nil effect and in fact more CO2 than we have today. It's a lie being fed to people.

Don't be fooled by this voodoo accounting people.

 

[HiEquity]

I heard on the radio when the PM was IVed that it is not a 5% reduction in today's levels, but a 5% reduction in the annual growth in CO2 emissions today in 2020.

What a load of carp!!!!!

All this mistargeted taxing for nil effect and in fact more CO2 than we have today. It's a lie being fed to people.

Don't be fooled by this voodoo accounting people.

Whatever you think you heard, it's wrong.

The Coalition's Direct Action Plan will

reduce CO2 emissions by 5 per cent by 2020 based on 1990 levels and deliver significant environmental outcomes

The Labor Target is the same from memory but I'm too lazy to look it up.

BTW, the Liberals have this policy because it is clear it is what the majority of people want. Either that or Tony Abbott genuinely believes in action on climate change. I'll let you draw your own conclusion as to which you think is more likely.

And we all know how the electorate responds to political leaders who lie about carbon policy...

 

[HotRod]

Whatever you think you heard, it's wrong.

The Coalition's Direct Action Plan will



The Labor Target is the same from memory but I'm too lazy to look it up.

BTW, the Liberals have this policy because it is clear it is what the majority of people want. Either that or Tony Abbott genuinely believes in action on climate change. I'll let you draw your own conclusion as to which you think is more likely.

And we all know how the electorate responds to political leaders who lie about carbon policy...

Don't think so.

When asked the question the PM did not say it was a 5% reduction in levels she skirted the question, but when pressured said it was a 5% reduction in the growth.

It was 6PR yesterday morning from 9.20am on with Paul Murray. She was being very squirmy in her responses.

 

[travelbug]

I went to the AGM, nothing dodgy at all, unfortunately the bills have to be paid, so the strata fees are set so you can afford to pay the bills for the following 12 months.

OK so YOU (and other owners) decided to increase the levies. That's different to the BC increased the fees which is what I thought you were saying..

 

[eKwatee]

OK so YOU (and other owners) decided to increase the levies. That's different to the BC increased the fees which is what I thought you were saying..

Answer me this? How would the strata group/Body corporate (as the owners are the body corporate) going to pay the extra electricity & gas charges if we didn't increase the strata levy. Are you going to pay the extra for us?

 

[Mr. Fabulous]

Air fares went up with Virgin a suspicious $4 on the lowest fare and a 25% of credit card surcharge within days of CT being legislation earlier this year. Coincidence? What surprised me is they went up a small odd number

Really? Spewin'. I recently purchased flights from Brisbane to Melbourne each way for $99 on sale with Virgin. Usually go for something like $150 each way, or something.

It seems that airfares go up and down like the tides these days and a little patience usually means saving significant dollars. That's my experience anyway.

I badly want to see Labor ousted in the next election and a number of their policies repealed (none to do with Carbon Tax), almost to the point where I have considered actually voting. But I figured that they are gonna get trounced so badly (hopefully along with those hippie morons in the Greens Party - I will forever rue the fact I must share a political ideology with those idiots) that there really is no need.

 

[BayView]

Your overwhelming evidence has convinced me. Now you just have to convince the Liberal Party, who the majority of Australians support to reduce our emissions by 5% by 2020, which is of course the same as the current target.

With both major parties supporting the same emission reduction target, I think that speaks volumes about what the majority want... You look to have a big job in front of you!

Yep.

They both support it.

Despite what is known as I've mentioned...1/4000th of a degree ....maybe.

What does that tell ya about both of them?

about what the majority want...

The majority is who?; the Public?

You give my Party (the Libs) too much credit. They'll go along with the theme while it is potentially vote winning....no votes; no job.

I think once we all come to see that the effects of "reducing emissions" will be like pizzing in a wet suit, and the still-to-be-convinced section of the Public turn against it in larger numbers (enough to win/lose votes), the Libs will drop it quicker than you can say oops.

The only thing the CT has got going for it is that it will claw back dollars of profit that would normally be going offshore to overseas ownership and be re-dispersed to the needy back here in Aus. This would be the most likely reason for the Libs to carry on with the idea going forward....votes in them/thar dollars.

But as for any effectiveness towards cooling a warming planet that isn't happening anyway......

 

[BayView]

(hopefully along with those hippie morons in the greens party - i will forever rue the fact i must share a political ideology with those idiots)

lol!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BayView]

True, wind power has a great future economically and with respect to reducing carbon emissions.

We could use them to blow all that nasty stale air (Carbon Dioxide; which is not pollution nor planet warming) away!

Hey; if we face them all towards China, India and the USA (basically anywhere north, east and west of us), it might blow all their emissions (which they have no plans to reduce) back into their own back yard.

aaah...fresh air at last.

 

[dan c]

Was just pointed to this article:

HANDOUTS to low-income workers under the carbon tax scheme have led to a surge in pokie revenues in May and June, according to The Australian Financial Review.
Pokie revenues in Queensland rose more than 7 per cent in May and 12 per cent in June which coincided with the Federal Government’s handout of more than $15 billion in carbon tax compensation to pensioners and low-income earners.

Although other states have yet to release official gaming machine revenues for June, the AFR reports that in lower socio-economic areas of Victoria such as Bendigo they rose by 8.6 per cent, which is 7 per cent above the state average.

A different view. The oft ignored difference between correlation and causation.

What is also ignored in the analysis today is the fact that household cash flows in the May and June period got a nice boost by a sharp fall in petrol prices and interest rate cuts from the RBA. I have no idea whether the extra dollars in people’s pockets as a result of these two events saw people drop a few extra dollars into pokies or not… but neither does Senator Xenophon or anyone else.

Suffice to say, the link between the carbon tax compensation payment and the rise in pokie revenue may simply be coincidental.