High Leverage Investing

Creating wealth is about leveraging your money to buy/control more with less.

some real estate tools such as property options offer a huge leverage while buying straight out does not. Some business and share market tools also offer the same leverage. However the higher the leverage, the higher skill set you need.

What is the most highest leverage vehicle you have ever used in property, business, shares or other and actually pulled off the ground?
 
Creating wealth is about leveraging your money to buy/control more with less.

What is the most highest leverage vehicle you have ever used in property, business, shares or other and actually pulled off the ground?

No its not, leverage is not the key to wealth creation.
Leverage is a wealth enhancer where the cost of debt is less than the total return from the asset class
There is an important difference.

Whats my highest leverage on a specific investment?
maybe around 90-95% through buying call options (with property because it is an illiquid investment i am only comfortable leveraging at a maximum of 80%).
 
I'm boring.

Only ever done bank loans for resi property and in recent years our business.

We have done a few 100% lends (using equity and new loans) for purchases, but have always kept the LVR below 80%.

Not rich enough at this stage with enough spare cash to throw away in the event of a bad investment to dabble in options and futures and the like .
 
I would have to say CFD providers give you some of the highest leverages for investment.

To give you an example. For every 50cents you put you can borrow upto $100 to invest :eek:

If the investment increases by 0.5%. You double your money. Sounds pretty lucrative huh?

Cheers,
Oracle.
 
Equity accellerators, Bought 150k of shares with 100% loan, 3years intrest capital protection insurance and hedging fees in advance, cost 23k. borrowed money to pay interest 3 years x 2k, after claiming tax deduction on interest cost about $1000 a year. My 50 k Berkshire hadthaway shares went up 4% in just one day a couple of days ago. Yet people like Micheal Yardney and Blue Storm say you cant leverage shares?
 
I would have to say CFD providers give you some of the highest leverages for investment.

To give you an example. For every 50cents you put you can borrow upto $100 to invest :eek:

If the investment increases by 0.5%. You double your money. Sounds pretty lucrative huh?

Cheers,
Oracle.

And if the investment decreases by 0.5%?

Any investment can be leveraged in various ways, property is simply just the most well known to most people.

I would suggest, that if you couldn't leverage direct property, it wouldn't be a very attractive investment though. Consider:
* High cost just to purchase a property outright.
* High stamp duties.
* High entry costs leads to limited diversification, thus high exposure to location based risk.
* Only investing in a single asset class.
* High holding costs (several different types of taxes, management fees, maintenace).
* High exit costs.
* Little opportunity to own via tax effective investment vehicles.

Without leveraging, I suspect property would not acheive anywhere near the capital growth that it does, although the rental yeilds would likely be substantially better.

Compare this to various share investments:
* Entry cost as little as a few $1000.
* No entry costs other than brokerage.
* Long term returns are comparible to property.
* Long term yields are also comparible to property (and due to franking credits for most people, are tax advantaged).
* No holding costs (unless being actively managed, but otherwise it's a buy and forget investment).
* No holding taxes.
* Easier to reduce risk through diversification.
* By choosing the appoprirate product, you can acutally invest in any asset class you like.
* Negligible exit costs.
* Same capital gains tax rules.
* More opportunity to invest via tax effective structures, in some cases making the investment completely tax free (both income tax and capital gains).

I'm certainly not anti property, but IMHO it's the leveraging that makes property a good investment, as well as the ability to be more hands on. The right asset class and how much it's leveraged comes down to the individuals resources, goals and risk profile. Direct property investment is fantiastic for some stratgies, but lousy for others.

Edit: Whilst writting this, I received a notification that effective immediately that ING is increaseing it's maximum LVR from 90% to 95% plus LMI for both owner occupied and investment purchases.
 
I love leveraging property at 97% (includes LMI)......

Sash, I thought I read in other posts that you were not a fan of high leveraging , that you were surprised by the level of high leveraging of some people, and that you liked to keep your LVR below 35%.
 
the higher the leverage, the higher skill set you need.

I hope you don't mind if I drill into this comment a little. I sudgest that the leverage offered by financiers for the average person is based on an actuarial approach. The average borrower gets leverage based on the likelyhood that they'll fail to make the repayments. But a skilled investor might have knowlege which allows them to use greater leverage, and a skilled/specialist financier might acknowlege that.
 
However the higher the leverage, the higher skill set you need.

Xenia, it was you who put on a presentation and proceeded to defend a guy selling high leverage CPD (I think) strategies to mum and dad investors a while back....

With the 'higher leverage requires higher skill set' mindset you state here, would you put on such a presentation again?
 
Mark, mum, dad shmad fad. How could you possibly know that? Have you ever attended a seminar put on by me? Who are you calling mum, dad investors? your point of view is just as valid as anyone else's but not one that I share.

My view is that everyone has the innate ability to change their life and increase their mind and skill set. There is a very inspiring multi-millionaire in Adelaide (who I have flagged as a potential speaker) who told me he used to be homeless as a teenager and on recreational drugs. Now he is a switched on freaky genius because he chose to change.

My biggest leverage tool is property options - we have over 1000 blocks under option very cool to see how the big players do it. It's a real eye opener to see those huge corporations purchase entire neighborhoods under option.

We paid a total of $4 for the options (four dollars)..... and yes we have invited even those little mousy mum, dad investors with no skills (or ability to learn) to property options seminars.... naughty naughty... I'm going straight to time out now.
 
I generally borrow 105% for IPs, and have had my margin loan running as high as 85% on more than one occasion.

Manage the risks, and you'll have no worries at all. Just bear in mind that risk management can cost $$, and factor it in.

I figured I'd take larger but well managed risks when I was young. At 35 I'm already starting to wind things back a bit, although I've already done pretty well so can still get good overall outcomes on the back of a decent sized pool of assets.
 
Mark, mum, dad shmad fad. How could you possibly know that? Have you ever attended a seminar put on by me? Who are you calling mum, dad investors? your point of view is just as valid as anyone else's but not one that I share.

My view is that everyone has the innate ability to change their life and increase their mind and skill set. There is a very inspiring multi-millionaire in Adelaide (who I have flagged as a potential speaker) who told me he used to be homeless as a teenager and on recreational drugs. Now he is a switched on freaky genius because he chose to change.

My biggest leverage tool is property options - we have over 1000 blocks under option very cool to see how the big players do it. It's a real eye opener to see those huge corporations purchase entire neighborhoods under option.

We paid a total of $4 for the options (four dollars)..... and yes we have invited even those little mousy mum, dad investors with no skills (or ability to learn) to property options seminars.... naughty naughty... I'm going straight to time out now.

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Originally Posted by Xenia
However the higher the leverage, the higher skill set you need.


So do you actually need higher skillset or just the ability to learn ? :confused:
 
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