i didn't agree with guantanamo bay either ... in my opinion prisoners of war should have been released when the conflict ends (ie, suddan hussein was captured).
How is it people can't see through Assange?
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i didn't agree with guantanamo bay either ... in my opinion prisoners of war should have been released when the conflict ends (ie, suddan hussein was captured).
my point exactly - so why did it have to be dumped on the public forum?
the only damage concerned is that now diplomat #3 doesn't trust anything his counterparts say to his face - and #'s 1 and 2 would feel like complete heels and are now unable to freely express and opinion to a colleague.
Careful, you don't want to get accused of being an Assange sympathiser and therefore a danger to the peace..........
What harm , his exposed many exact infrastructure locations terrorists would give eye teeth to know about for starters, well they don't have to now.
Stuff already mentioned through the thread and much more . Yep some of it does no harm but not all and much of it damages relations. Yeah they'd know but that doesn't mean they need it out there.
There's also been many strategies, plans, countries are trying to use or implement to combat terrorism with . Want exacto monto , go read some garbage for a few days.
The US legal system , really is that any surprise , it just shows how stupidly naive this guy is ?
Of course he'd carefully manipulate all trails to him , he can't stand up and speak out on his own two feet like the hero he pretends to be and of course they'll trump up charges if they have to , so would I with a sneaky little gutter rat , I hope they do get him in the door and a bloody big lock on him myself .
Ahwell , he'll end up rich , that was his aim , and to be somebody . His book deals and suckers will make sure of that.
Stuff already mentioned through the thread and much more . Yep some of it does no harm but not all and much of it damages relations. Yeah they'd know but that doesn't mean they need it out there.
There's also been many strategies, plans, countries are trying to use or implement to combat terrorism with . Want exacto monto , go read some garbage for a few days.
The US legal system , really is that any surprise , it just shows how stupidly naive this guy is ?
Of course he'd carefully manipulate all trails to him , he can't stand up and speak out on his own two feet like the hero he pretends to be and of course they'll trump up charges if they have to , so would I with a sneaky little gutter rat , I hope they do get him in the door and a bloody big lock on him myself .
Ahwell , he'll end up rich , that was his aim , and to be somebody . His book deals and suckers will make sure of that.
i like the guy sure he's loving the pr with case etc but you know what it grows his brand and what he believes in..
so every bit of publicity he gets is cool
we are too politically corect in todays world its about time that someone like assange created a platform to have people have expose the lies that we are being fed..
so every bit of publicity he gets is cool
we are too politically corect in todays world its about time that someone like assange created a platform to have people have expose the lies that we are being fed..
Just goes to show, knowledge is power.
There are some very high up people quite threatened by some of what he's released.
I'm with television, I'm a lefty. Why can't I access information if I wish to know? I don't need a big brother government to protect me from myself.
Power to the people - go Assange!
There are some very high up people quite threatened by some of what he's released.
I'm with television, I'm a lefty. Why can't I access information if I wish to know? I don't need a big brother government to protect me from myself.
Power to the people - go Assange!
I want to know when my government and allie's government lies to me and the rest of their people.
I just don't think us westerners are as innocent or superior to other countries people races etc as we think we are and act like we are. But we do think that we are. We do believe that other countries are worse than us..
Our mistakes, especially when they are the same mistakes made by others, are just as bad as mistakes / actions made by others.
They have just as much effect on ther people's lives as other countrie's mistakes/actions etc.
I just don't think us westerners are as innocent or superior to other countries people races etc as we think we are and act like we are. But we do think that we are. We do believe that other countries are worse than us..
Our mistakes, especially when they are the same mistakes made by others, are just as bad as mistakes / actions made by others.
They have just as much effect on ther people's lives as other countrie's mistakes/actions etc.
i believe they haven't released any items that would directly put anyone at personal risk. i also believe that's an actual internal policy.
time to lose the emotive argument and face up to the facts
1) terrorism is just another word for "disaster capitalism"
2) terrorism is funded in part or whole by the black budget.
3) repairing damage caused by terrorism is marked up exorbitantly and paid for by the taxes of the coalition of the willing
4) the US gets everything it deserves insofar as their foreigh policy is concerned.
5) assange is neither a terrorist by the US's definition, nor committed espionage, by the US's definition.
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So that would give the US the right to lock him up in Guantanamo Bay for being a terrorist then
From the source itself (the GreenLeft magazine). These leaks are no different to the Assange leaks. But the Assange leaks sit comfortable with the Left, as it makes the US look bad. Perfect. You only need to look at the crowd supporting Assange. Same lot that supported Hicks. All the Left heroes.
'Climategate' emails: Scientists defend science
That is, from the words of the Greens themselves, the deniers should no longer be tolerated, as they risk humanity itself. So where is you open discussion evand
Excellent points made by Aaron in this thread.
There is nothing in that article to connect even remotely Julian Assange and what he's doing to the Climategate emails.
Heres a telling line:
On the falsification of research results — a career-ending offence for scientists — all the scouring through the emails has come up with nothing.
The right wingers tried a beat up by bending and taking out of context some items of the emails but it came to nothing.
Beside that, what are you trying to say? That the lefts were trying to suppress the info in the emails? Whats the connection?
Heres a telling line:
On the falsification of research results — a career-ending offence for scientists — all the scouring through the emails has come up with nothing.
The right wingers tried a beat up by bending and taking out of context some items of the emails but it came to nothing.
Beside that, what are you trying to say? That the lefts were trying to suppress the info in the emails? Whats the connection?
From the source itself (the GreenLeft magazine). These leaks are no different to the Assange leaks. But the Assange leaks sit comfortable with the Left, as it makes the US look bad. Perfect. You only need to look at the crowd supporting Assange. Same lot that supported Hicks. All the Left heroes.
'Climategate' emails: Scientists defend science
That is, from the words of the Greens themselves, the deniers should no longer be tolerated, as they risk humanity itself. So where is you open discussion evand
On the falsification of research results — a career-ending offence for scientists — all the scouring through the emails has come up with nothing.
The right wingers tried a beat up by bending and taking out of context some items of the emails but it came to nothing.
Beside that, what are you trying to say? That the lefts were trying to suppress the info in the emails? Whats the connection?
Oh, nothing then like the Left wingers trying a beat up by bending and taking out of context some items of the Assange releases, to try and destroy careers.
No that's different. When it's the west, and those in power, than that's OK.
Like "Rudd apparently telling the US that force may be needed if China." being reported, with no context, and with the intention to harm international relations, and a reputation.
Assange is dangerous. Glad they can hopefully shut him up. Hope someone hacks your emails one day and posts evand. Or maybe in 5yrs, when you go for a job, someone scans all your Somersoft posts for the past decade, and you don't get the job, because someone, in one little message read it out of context.
No, but when it's the Lefties supporting Assange, it's all good.
Agreed, Aaron & evand are making a good argument.
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/66898,people,news,julian-assange-threatened-by-pentagon-over-wikileaks
If the Pentagon isn't prepared to help then they will have to make do with their own judgment. I think if there was legitimate evidence of the leaks assisting with terrorist plans that it would be all over the news by now.
Sorry evan but no I don't want to go into specifics or give Assange more airplay either but even some things mentioned through the thread already are bad enough.
I did have to sit through 4hrs of it the other day though and there's stuff in there that could literally shut down 1/2 the planet in the wrong hands . It has no business being put out there like that especially from an absolute nobody.
Thankfully I'm pretty sure most media have been asked to keep a lot of it out, play it down and they've had the good judgment to do that.
I totally agree Bluestorm you summed it up , he is dangerous . His like the little boy with a box of matches .
I did have to sit through 4hrs of it the other day though and there's stuff in there that could literally shut down 1/2 the planet in the wrong hands . It has no business being put out there like that especially from an absolute nobody.
Thankfully I'm pretty sure most media have been asked to keep a lot of it out, play it down and they've had the good judgment to do that.
I totally agree Bluestorm you summed it up , he is dangerous . His like the little boy with a box of matches .
For goodness sake, it's HE'S as in 'he is'.
I am surprised people cannot see through Government Propaganda?
Bluestorm are you Winnie on revival btw? Just askin'.. 'cos I'm gunna have to put my latte lefty sign back up, it's in my lefty shed, getting painted...(red)
You forget the Kroll Report?
From the TED talk transcript
...and don't forget the Reuter's staff:
Remember the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg?
Just for fun, here is a breakdown of the latest:
What we learnt from the latest Wiki-leaks...uh, leaks: Summarised
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Bluestorm are you Winnie on revival btw? Just askin'.. 'cos I'm gunna have to put my latte lefty sign back up, it's in my lefty shed, getting painted...(red)
You forget the Kroll Report?
From the TED talk transcript
...and don't forget the Reuter's staff:
Remember the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg?
Just for fun, here is a breakdown of the latest:
What we learnt from the latest Wiki-leaks...uh, leaks: Summarised
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------oops, I did it again.
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