Magnesite?

Wondering if you experts out there can tell me whether I may have magnesite on my floor? I have a concrete cancer specialist coming out on Friday to inspect it. The pictures below are taken of the floor when the carpet and tiles were removed.

Does magnesite always have to be removed or is it on a case by case basis? Also, can anyone recommend any concrete cancer specialists?

Thank you
 

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Yes that is magnesite. Its got a texture like hardened cork

It is recommended to remove if if present. Unless it has moisture penetration evidence or is drummy, the chances of concrete cancer are small
 
Thanks Dave. If it is indeed magnesite, with all the other problems in this apartment, I might just cut my losses and sell. My apartment is ok but I know for a fact the apartment next door was flooded so badly that they had to replace the floorboards.
 
WHy sell? Its easy and fairly cheap to removed, and usually you can get the owners corporation to pay for the removal.
 
The magnesite is chipped up and replaced with a thin cement screed to give a good surface level for carpet or tiles - whatever, not a big deal. If next door flooded some water may have seeped under the wall if it is a common wall. I had some self leveling cement seep through under my wall (on slab) when spalling repairs were done next door, did not realise till I went to rip up the carpet in the linen cupboard a few years later ......WTF :eek:

It would take about 1 man day to rip up the magnesite and chip up most of the remaining residue on the cement in a large loungreoom to give you an idea of what is a reasonable figure to pay. We had a meeting room done last year, quotes were $1700, $1400, $1100. We got a builder to do it for $600 which was still a good earn. A full ute worth of rubbish, hire a small jackhammer with spade blade... you do the sums. Some labourers want to retire in one week ;)
 
The picture were taken from when my floorboards were all layed down. I had not heard of magnesite at this point. However, I went to a concrete cancer seminar recently and learnt about it. My floorboards are also buckling which is why I thought I should get a concrete cancer specialist to check the floor while they are being repaired.

If the floating floorboards need to be replaced, wouldn't it be the cost of removing the floorboards, removing the magnesite and replacing the floorboards which is well over the cost of $2,000. There are eight units in the building.

Added to that is the worry that spalling has occured so again more costs. The sinking fund is a portion of my money and we have to do other costly repairs in the building that will cost over $100k. That is why I'm concerned about this and wondering whether I should cut and run.
 
"Concrete Cancer Seminar", "concrete cancer specialist." Seminar - run for your life and don't look back :eek:. You are not talking about brain surgery, just steel reinforcement in your concrete rusting as a result of water getting to it (as in the case of balconies) or the chemicals leaching out of the magnesite indoors when wet and penetrating the concrete to the steel and causing rusting.

Any half decent builder, handyman or anyone who has had previous experience can identify it. Getting it treated properly takes a bit more research to get the right person who will do it properly and with the right materials.

It is easy to identify or test when the magnesite is removed, or in bad cases when the magnesite is still in place and lifting. Testing the concrete is as easy as dragging a hammer over the surface listening for any drummy concrete - try an area where you know concrete or tiles are loose and you will get an idea of the sound. It is hard to tell though if a problem is in early stages of developing and is not causing drumminess, but no one will. In 5-10 years time it may become apparent then. But removing magnesite will lessen the risk of future problems, and if no flooding in your unit in last 10 years you are looking pretty safe.

Cancer is a name given to it by some people because of the way it spreads, and used by those like seminar presenters who want to scare you, but the correct name for it is concrete spalling .......... not so scary is it. If you look at all the balconies in your street you are bound to find several with spalling on the edge. And admittedly in "severe cases" people have to move out of the units while the floors in the whole building are repaired, but some of these are a result of problems stemming back from the balcony or where the building was not built properly in the first place and has nothing to do with magnesite.

P.S. There are many dodgy specialist companies who do poor work - including those who have been around for a long time which would make you think they must do a good job to stay in business, i.e. one that we used on this basis ...think of the letters SBR which I have jumbled and S representing a large capital city ;)

P.P.S. When getting quotes, make sure you compare the quantity of material they are quoting on and the additional charge per lineal meter. Some quote on minimal work which at first glance looks cheap but their additional charge for work not included in quote can be very expensive. No one can quote accurately on work required, only a good guesstimate because the full extent is not known until work is started and the reo is chased back to clean steel.
 
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Good and bad news: A concrete spalling specialist came to inspect the apartment yesterday when some of the floorboards were removed from the kitchen and the bedroom where the floorboards were lifting.

He said that it was magnesite but it wasn't delaminated or crumbling into little bits. The magnesite was dry and solid. He also checked to see if the concrete was drummy but it wasn't. There wasn't much we could do at that stage as I would need the Body Corporate's permission to remove it (and pay for it).

We are holding an Executive Committee meeting soon so I will report my findings but I don't want the word 'magnsite' mentioned in our strata report. However, there are a lot of problems with our building: http://somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84505 We've had to raise a special levy to try and fix the problems so not much money in the kitty.

Many of you may disagree but if the magnesite has been ok for over 40/50 years, I don't think removing the manesite in my apartment is one of our top priorities in light of our other problems. The one apartment I would be concerned about is the one that was flooded. The guy who owns it is an electrician and pretty switched on. I can ask him to check the underlay underneath.

However, it is something to put on our To Do list. And I like going to seminars and reading forums - how else would I know about these problems?
 
We are holding an Executive Committee meeting soon so I will report my findings but I don't want the word 'magnsite' mentioned in our strata report. However, there are a lot of problems with our building: http://somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84505 We've had to raise a special levy to try and fix the problems so not much money in the kitty.

Many of you may disagree but if the magnesite has been ok for over 40/50 years, I don't think removing the manesite in my apartment is one of our top priorities in light of our other problems. The one apartment I would be concerned about is the one that was flooded. The guy who owns it is an electrician and pretty switched on. I can ask him to check the underlay underneath.

Any strata report for a purchaser will mention magnesite purely as a precautionary item due to age of building, which will then prompt the buyer to ask if its there or not.

It is best practice to do it when renovating floor coverings, you dont have to rip up everyones floor at once and do them all.
 
My strata report didn't mention magnesite. Unfortunately, all our apartments have been renovated. Mine was the last to be done. However, the flooring wasn't done well in the apartment that was flooded so he may renovate again. Otherwise, it's a case of taking up the new flooring.
 
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