Thankyou Craig Thomson

[Peter_Tersteeg]

its a smelly business. some of these union officials also sit on industry super boards. lets hope there is better control of members funds there??

It's even worse than that. Once upon a time you had to use an employer super fund. You didn't get a choice. Then the changes came about where employees could nominate the fund. At the same time that legislation was being passed, the unions re-negotiated workplace agreements to state that under their agreement, the appropirate fund must be used. So much for choosing who manages your money.

Then there's the real truth about industry funds. Many of them are doing well at the moment, but many of them haven't had to revalue their portfolios for quite some time. Parts of some portfolios haven't accounted for the GFC yet.

A lot of people tell me they've got life insurance through their industry super. The average life insurance policy in these funds is $75k. Your widdow will throw a good wake and take a few months to get over the loss. Then they're in real trouble.

The adds brag that they don't pay financial advisors. Most people do a lot better overall if they do actually get some advice. There's nothing wrong with the fund itself, it's just that people aren't educated to make the right decisions going into a fund.

 

[Jonril]

Please don't sully this thread with super debate. Hookergate is far less depressing reading than super legislation.

At least the union members voluntary sunk their dues into the HSU.

 

[buster]

Mate, he hasnt been charged and/or found guilty as yet.

Settle down and think about Liberal Mary Jo Fisher who has been found guilty and charged of shoplifting and assault, while a member of parliament, unlike Thomson.

His so called crimes arent even being investigated in a criminal sense, again, unlike Fisher.

Thomson was not in parliament when committing the alleged - as yet unproven and non criminal investigated - crimes.

Not to mention 3 Liberal MP's, Andrew Laming, Ross Vasta and Gary Hardgrave who faced charges of misusing party funds and were exonerated. What a joke.

Is the sky blue on the planet you guys live on?

Evan, just because there is no law you can be charged with when you do something wrong doesnt make it right. It just means the laws an ***. A mistake or bad judgement is forgivable if the perpertrator admiits they done wrong apologizes shows remorse and explains there action. Jo Fischer did not have to be found guilty she was a big enough person too admit she had done wrong and explained why. she is not in the same category as Thompson , who is on the opposite end of the integrity scale, who is trying to lie cheat and weasel his way out and not accept his responsibilities which is the biggest issue. I guess because responsilbilities is something labor have never been able to understand.

 

[Peter_Tersteeg]

Please don't sully this thread with super debate. Hookergate is far less depressing reading than super legislation.

At least the union members voluntary sunk their dues into the HSU.

I appologise, you're absolutely right.

Now how do I get my super early so I can enjoy some hookers!

 

[Jonril]

I appologise, you're absolutely right.

Now how do I get my super early so I can enjoy some hookers!

Join the government I hear they get a good deal on both fronts.

 

[evand]

Huh? Mary Jo Fisher was found guilty, Thomson has not been yet.

The law is theer to prove whether someone is guilty or not. Thats all.

And who said what he dis was right? I'm just saying dont get too excited as he hasnt been found guilty of anything yet, and its not even a criminal investigation.

So, to use your own strange reasoning, what Mary Jo Fisher did was ok because she owned up to it? How do you know she did anyway?

Evan, just because there is no law you can be charged with when you do something wrong doesnt make it right. It just means the laws an ***. A mistake or bad judgement is forgivable if the perpertrator admiits they done wrong apologizes shows remorse and explains there action. Jo Fischer did not have to be found guilty she was a big enough person too admit she had done wrong and explained why. she is not in the same category as Thompson , who is on the opposite end of the integrity scale, who is trying to lie cheat and weasel his way out and not accept his responsibilities which is the biggest issue. I guess because responsilbilities is something labor have never been able to understand.

 

[FormerLurker]

Mate, he hasnt been charged and/or found guilty as yet.

Settle down and think about Liberal Mary Jo Fisher who has been found guilty and charged of shoplifting and assault, while a member of parliament, unlike Thomson.

His so called crimes arent even being investigated in a criminal sense, again, unlike Fisher.

Thomson was not in parliament when committing the alleged - as yet unproven and non criminal investigated - crimes.

Not to mention 3 Liberal MP's, Andrew Laming, Ross Vasta and Gary Hardgrave who faced charges of misusing party funds and were exonerated. What a joke.

Is the sky blue on the planet you guys live on?

You have to admit there is a difference between someone with depression shoplifting $90 of stuff and wrestling with security and someone allegedly systematically of several years fraudulently ripping off his employer to the tune of $150k?

If it makes you feel better I think she should be stood down as well, obviously she’s in a bad state mentally and therefore shouldn't have the responsibility of helping to govern the nation - but just as obviously he's in a worse state morally and shouldn't be trusted to run anything except a prison talent contest.

 

[evand]

Everyone has depression or ADHD or something else these days when things go wrong. Its the 'take no responsibility' times.

Again, he wasnt in parliament when these things occurred and he hasn't been proven guilty yet, let along a criminal investigation.

So, saying he should go to jail is just more Liberal over excitement.

You have to admit there is a difference between someone with depression shoplifting $90 of stuff and wrestling with security and someone allegedly systematically of several years fraudulently ripping off his employer to the tune of $150k?

If it makes you feel better I think she should be stood down as well, obviously she’s in a bad state mentally and therefore shouldn't have the responsibility of helping to govern the nation - but just as obviously he's in a worse state morally and shouldn't be trusted to run anything except a prison talent contest.

 

[weg]

Huh? Mary Jo Fisher was found guilty, Thomson has not been yet.

The law is theer to prove whether someone is guilty or not. Thats all.

And who said what he dis was right? I'm just saying dont get too excited as he hasnt been found guilty of anything yet, and its not even a criminal investigation.

So, to use your own strange reasoning, what Mary Jo Fisher did was ok because she owned up to it? How do you know she did anyway?

I was not aware of MJF being found guilty - personally I think she could get a 'not guilty by reason of mental impairment'. If she was, it would be for a much lesser crime and wouldn't lead to her demise (ethically too, a very minor wrongdoing in comparison, and one that no one tried to cover) unlike Thomson's case... ha, ha you gotta love how his stolen credit card moved with him.

The differences between these two cases are HUGE, with the most significant being the MJF case has no real negative bearing on her position or the Libs while the Thomson case has the potential to overturn Labor and at the very least seal it with a stench they'll never shake.

Good on the Health Union for going to the police. Wonder what else gets uncovered?

 

[lizzie]

Gillard will refuse to let him resign, knowing full well that to do so would be the end of her government. She will be hanging on with a stranglehold hoping it will go away.

But - the people of Australia are looking for any excuse to have an election and get a properly formed and responsible government. Tony is playing on this knowing that the majority of people want it.

As for the union controlled superfund ... hubby is stuck in one of these, of which we only found out when we enquired about swinging it into a SMSF about 4-5 months ago. Really peeved as the performance has been really poor on the industry superfund - and now even worse with the stockmarket going pfffft

 

[josko]

About 5%, Labor would almost certainly lose the seat.

He will lose it undoubtably and Deb O'Neil will follow.

I was astounded that they even won their seats but then the newspaper reporting on The Central Coast Express is atrocious. Nothing but white wash from Deb and Craig...

Alot of Blue Collar Labor voters with not much interest in politics...until now.

While the rest of NSW has had Thompson if not on the cover, on the inside pages 1 and 2...The Express had a headline similar to this: "PM stands by MP Craig Thomson" and then no REAL news....what would happen if he lost his seat etc.

I note The Central Coast Express has FINALLY put Thomson on front page.

There will be a huge swing.

Regards JO

 

[Jonril]

The whole thing makes a great lesson in social economics.

In a free enterprise market a transaction takes place and 2 parties get screwed.

In a unionised market a transaction takes place and all the members get screwed, but only one gets a proper ****.

 

[josko]

Huh? Mary Jo Fisher was found guilty, Thomson has not been yet.

The law is theer to prove whether someone is guilty or not. Thats all.

And who said what he dis was right? I'm just saying dont get too excited as he hasnt been found guilty of anything yet, and its not even a criminal investigation.

So, to use your own strange reasoning, what Mary Jo Fisher did was ok because she owned up to it? How do you know she did anyway?

I think she stole $75.00 worth of items.

Craig Thomson has reportably stolen over $100,000 to pay for Prostitutes, fancy dinners, hotel rooms, wine subscriptions, and $30,000 of this for his election campaign.

Worse still...on a Workers Union Credit Card as it's Senior Official.


Could be QUITE a difference there Evan?

Regards JO

PS: Agree on double standards but I don't think this is one of those cases.

 

[buzzlightyear]

This story keeps giving and giving. Now its turned to Soprano-like warnings.

Either that or the gardener forgot his shovel.

 

[StefanA]

And the Labor "Brand" was affirmed at 2 am this morning by the dirty shovel left on Kathy Jackson's front doorstep.

How arrogant, how stupid, how gutless.

 

[The Fence]

Reminds me a bit of the Liberals in power.

In reality its just typical Liberal misplaced moral outrage and double standards. Total hypocrisy.

Abbott and his Looneys from the right are turning this country into a mean, negative savagely attacking on anything in their path, getting dirty and personal and the focus is constantly changing.

Just as the Howard govt set a disgusting example to this nation of lying and duplicity, now we have Abbot (who was obviously taught by the master) doing this endless negativity. And all his mindless, unthinking Liberal voting followers are going along for the ride. Whatever happened to politics?

Oooooohhh...such venom. Only ever comes from the desperate who feel a sense of lost control.

The above quote could just as easily be talking about Gillard and her lot.

 

[evand]

He hasnt been found guilty.
He wasnt a member of Parliament when it happened.
There is no criminal investigation.

All 3 have been in the positive for Mary Jo Fisher.

I think she stole $75.00 worth of items.

Craig Thomson has reportably stolen over $100,000 to pay for Prostitutes, fancy dinners, hotel rooms, wine subscriptions, and $30,000 of this for his election campaign.

Worse still...on a Workers Union Credit Card as it's Senior Official.


Could be QUITE a difference there Evan?

Regards JO

PS: Agree on double standards but I don't think this is one of those cases.

 

[evand]

Not desperate mate, but the truth of what Abbott is doing to get Liberal into power. Its not politics anymore.

Its just constant negativity and attack on all fronts with a constantly moving focus. Disgusting. isn't he religious?

Oooooohhh...such venom. Only ever comes from the desperate who feel a sense of lost control.

The above quote could just as easily be talking about Gillard and her lot.

 

[weg]

He hasnt been found guilty.
He wasnt a member of Parliament when it happened.
There is no criminal investigation.

All 3 have been in the positive for Mary Jo Fisher.

So if he committed murder, but wasn't a member of parliament at the time, and it was covered up nice and neat by both this Labor Union AND Labor Party members (hence stopping an investigation) I take it that would also be OK .

What planet are you on evand?

 

[StefanA]

Its just constant negativity and attack on all fronts with a constantly moving focus.

If it upsets the moral highground chardonnay elites, next time vote in a govt that doesn't stumble from crisis to crisis lying and bullying its way while it p*$#es working class tax money up against the wall.

If a Coalition politician was accused of spending money on hookers, running shoes, and keeping himself from bankruptcy, I'd be the first to jump up and say get to the bottom of it NOW.

Oh no but not your Julia. She has FULL CONFIDENCE...and why is that? was Craig at her place on the nights calls were made from his motel room to the escort agencies?

What Silly Julia doesn't get is that NO ONE will have confidence in her judgment once Thomson is forced to account.

Julia has so little wisdom and so much ambition, that now she is flea infested by the dog she chose to lay down with.

How politically naive she is. Time to go.