So is anyone buying in Noble Park at the moment?
I thought you bought a place in Noble Park earlier this year?
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So is anyone buying in Noble Park at the moment?
I thought you bought a place in Noble Park earlier this year?
To revive an old thread, some interesting info comes from 'Suburbs in Time' compiled from ABS Data.
Below is a review of each Melbourne suburb.
http://www.dpcd.vic.gov.au/home/pub...census-2011/suburbs-in-time/melbourne-suburbs
While the numbers are up to 2006, those for 2011's should be added any day soon.
Most interesting are the trends in income groups in each quartile. Even (compared to the state average) is 25/25/25/25%. Whereas a poor area will have more in the bottom two and fewer in the top two groups.
The changes for some suburbs have been stark.
The likes of Abbottsford and Yarraville has gone from being more low income to having much higher proportions of high income.
Mt Eliza has maintained its high income bias.
Conversely few would believe that in 1981 St Albans was a solid middle income area. 21% highest income vs 18% lowest income. Whereas now just 12% are highest quartile income and 39% are lowest quartile income. Or a ratio of over 3:1 vs <1:1 before.
A massive degentrification in anyone's book. Look at areas like Doveton, Sunshine North, Dallas etc as well. The backwater of Altona North also has a low income profile and significant population ageing.
Quite high income areas can have high ethnic diversity (especially in newer estates in western Melbourne) but you'll notice that these have high proportions of both 'speaks non-English at home' and 'speaks English well'. The latter is probably because we bias a fair chunk of our migration program towards those with skills and education.
Whereas areas that have degentrified have a low and declining proportion of those who speak English well. Hence English language proficiency seems to have some association with declining or low socio economic areas (eg St Albans).
Another trend, in the opposite direction, is where senior Italians and Greeks age and are replaced by Australian born younger residents (old working class areas that are now trendy). You see this in the 'languages spoken' or 'speaks English well' and income distribution numbers.
Look at areas that were new housing in the '70s/80s/90s. Most were average or higher income back then. You needed to earn good coin to get a mortgage to buy or build a house. Many such areas have had declining income profiles and have degentrified.
Similarly with suburbs whose populations have aged and the seniors are Centrelink pensioners rather than the affluent types of Sorrento or Mt Eliza.
Just like if you buy a new house there's little value-adding possible (unlike some older houses), it may be that new suburbs may degentrify with income profiles moving towards the lower end. Until it is rediscovered many years later and gentrifies.
Berwick.
I've lived here for 18 years it was a beautiful historic late 1800's country town, in 1998 trains were 45 minutes to Flinders now they are 1:07! Nowadays it's an overcrowded split class area losing it's character year by year.
The area has been destroyed demographic-wise with land south of the rail line being released in endless paddock estates. This is where Noble Park, Dandenong and Hampton Park have relocated to over the years. Just go to Eden Rise Coles for yourself and note all the riff raff and required hired security officers, the population has basically doubled yet the infastructure has not. Unfortunately the South makes it's way down to the station and the village, the pub/club now constantly requires police at closing time. The amount of drunks fighting on the road every week is ridiculous. It was a beautiful area which now more or less resembles Caroline Springs.
Spider-Man
Have you managed to find this info on a new page? The link has been trashed
It's the most interesting stuff I have read on this forum
Sensible post by a 2006 DT
As opposed to all the dumb ones we got from 2014 onwards?
The amount of drunks fighting on the road every week is ridiculous. It was a beautiful area which now more or less resembles Caroline Springs.
Jamesp,
Very harsh review ... Caroline Springs is an eminently liveable suburb.
Edited his post. Obviously never been to Caroline Springs, it is THE jewel in the west. And Berwick is how far from the CBD again? I'd prefer CS thanks.
Another trend, in the opposite direction, is where senior Italians and Greeks age and are replaced by Australian born younger residents (old working class areas that are now trendy). You see this in the 'languages spoken' or 'speaks English well' and income distribution numbers.
Edited his post. Obviously never been to Caroline Springs, it is THE jewel in the west. And Berwick is how far from the CBD again? I'd prefer CS thanks.