I'm not sure if you think you are fairly alone in being disdainful towards both sides...
I would think that would be the position of a good percentage of Australians.
Hi ho, Hi ho, It's back to Rudd we go...
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I'm not sure if you think you are fairly alone in being disdainful towards both sides...
I would think that would be the position of a good percentage of Australians.
No, most people are only interested in what they can get out of it.
Gosh... I certainly don't think that way. I hope I'm not the only one who cares about where we are heading, what we leave for our kids...
Hence most
Look at how the media reports - "What's in it for you" "How much will this cost" blah blah blah ad nauseum.
Humans are inherently selfish. Hence why communism never works - there are always those who see being equal as a chance to become more equal.
Ideo,
I think you are completely wrong here.
I really do believe that 99% of pollies start out with a dream to make a difference.
I still believe quite strongly that Gillard did and I admired her for getting to the top of the Labor Party. If she'd married and had children, she would probably not be there. I think she has sacrificed absolutely everything for her career.
PT Bear, it is common knowledge that Abbott would not negotiate with Wilkie and his Poker Machine Tax. As for the CO2 Tax, there must have been something in Abbott's political prowess to have forced the statements from Gillard and Swan about " the hysterical and inaccurate claim" that if elected, Labor would introduce the CO2 tax. We all know what Gillard said.
As I keep saying, you can change the jockey but he'll still be riding the same horse.
I am suprised that so many think Kevin11 will oust Gillard. I thought I was "putting it out there" with that one, but I still see it as something Labor would contemplate. We all know Rudd would like to "save face" and a defeat at the next election would not bother him as much as anyone else.
NO CO2 tax
Nauru (Yes, I think he would and could swallow the party pride)
and a few cheques out to the common folk again......Kev's back in favour!
Regards JO
i'm unenrolled from voting because it makes no difference who we vote for, we get the same old shyt.
I read that Ideo meant the majority of voters ... not the politicians ... voting for whichever party promises them the most.
I very much feel like a political orphan (like that term) at the moment. There is obsolutely no party or non-party that I want to remotely align to.
You're not. But in today's Australia you certainly do appear to be in the minority.
Boat people and carbon tax dominate the public agenda, despite the likelihood that at an individual level neither will impact on the ordinary voter today in any materially-significant sense, whichever way these issues go.
But symbollically, the populist vitriol surrounding these issues I believe does accurately reflect the inward-turning of the electorate, expressing selfish unconcern with vulnerable outsiders or with the future implications of today's pollution.
If we can only live for ourselves today, how do we plan to live with our children and neighbours tomorrow? With ongoing and permanent venom?
P.S. Being a property investor (i.e. a capitalist) does not dictate calculating everything exclusively in accordance with your own immediate self-interest. You're still a human being, and can choose to care about both common and individual interests at the same time. It might require just a little extra effort, and a willingness to accept that the future may be even more uncertain for others than for you, but the community will be better for it, I promise.
People are often swayed by their leaders and our leaders are all about today and not tomorrow.
We see it in their policies and their speeches, we see it in their infrastructure. They build roads for tomorrow based on todays usage so when they are finally built after 2 or 3 years they are already overloaded. No futureproofing and no forward planning.
It doesnt matter whether it is liberal, labour, state or federal, our leaders basically lead for the now and rarely worry about tomorrow.
If our leaders give us these examples to live by its no wonder we also live for today and ignore tomorrow.
I would love to see Rudd back, i was overseas last time he was pushed out and was quite surprising. I don't give a damn about our economy been at the top all the time and as everyone knows Australia is China's btch. I'm not one of the mainly liberal supporters here to care more for their own financial gains more than their environment and future of their children. From what I have seen of Abbot on TV is that he is a cunning, arrogant, nasty, dirty talking, sly, bitter and negative ***** that makes me feel physically sick watching him talk and mislead like minded easy led aussies that believe his crap. All he stands for is what that Bush bumboy Howard stood for, money, big companies, big industries, the rich and the selfish, he would sell Uranium to Iran if he could get away with it. Good luck to you all!
Well, Treasury estimates $9.90 costs vs $10.10 rebates for the average family, so no, nothing materially significant. Unless you can categorically quantify the future aggregate long-term adjustment costs of laggard businesses vs benefits to national competitiveness of adaptive businesses?
Labor (no 'u') represents 'socialism'? (And the Great Wall was to keep the rabbits out, right?) No one voted for Labor in the last election to introduce socialism into this country, as you very well know. What the electorate did do after the last election was get very scared when the GFC smashed into their lives. And fear, with its worst attributes and political acolytes in ascendance, now reigns.
At risk of repeating myself, can I suggest you shift out of vitriol and engage reason?
Apology accepted...this post will come to no good.
I think this post will go on and on and on forever, with ;
- the Labor voters slagging the Liberal policies and politicians, and
- the Liberal voters slagging off the Labor policies and politicians
.....and no-one will move their ideological view of the world one iota.....no matter what ;
"facts" are presented
"data" is referenced
wordsmithing is used
threats are made
names are called
It will simply drown out to a nothingness, usually with two of the most vicious combative wordsmiths from opposite sides trading ineffective blows, with the moderate posters disgusted with both sides.
Sim will eventually mop up the sordid mess by closing the thread.
Ten minutes later someone else will start a thread by saying something like "I was horrified when I read about...." and post some poxy link to some irrelevant little pimply journalist who is trying to stir the pot for editorial comment.
Ho-hum....when oh when can the Australian people actually have a real say via an election rather than this.
I would love to see Rudd back, i was overseas last time he was pushed out and was quite surprising. I don't give a damn about our economy been at the top all the time and as everyone knows Australia is China's btch. I'm not one of the mainly liberal supporters here to care more for their own financial gains more than their environment and future of their children. From what I have seen of Abbot on TV is that he is a cunning, arrogant, nasty, dirty talking, sly, bitter and negative ***** that makes me feel physically sick watching him talk and mislead like minded easy led aussies that believe his crap. All he stands for is what that Bush bumboy Howard stood for, money, big companies, big industries, the rich and the selfish, he would sell Uranium to Iran if he could get away with it. Good luck to you all!
LOL....not so much "wordsmith" but "Swordsmith" I suggest...LOL!!
Get rid of that anger hey...LOL!!
That's the most biased post I've read for a long time. Self destruct the Liberal Party? Yep, just as they hold NSW/Vic/WA and are very close to taking QLD and SA. Oh and polls show them at, let's see, a 10-party preferred basis of 55% primary vote support at the federal level.
Since when were ordinary people qualified and sufficiently informed to make a meaningful vote? If they were there wouldn't have been a Labor Party...
Ah the dilemma of democracy. No wonder so many are in recessions.
And that isn't biased? Cor-blimey, mate! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Which one-party state without universal suffrage would you call a democracy, exactly?
Dazz,
Do I detect a high level of cynacism?
Honestly, I think it is hilarious and sad, that I and others could think the Labor Party would bring Rudd back. I've got to laugh because the other alternative is too sad.
Deltaberry:
AaronC: People have lost faith in politics as is obvious by these threads. If I only had a dollar for every person that said, "I don't like Gillard or Abbott, so I voted Green." They voted for themselves out of ignorance and/or the dollar in their pocket. Belbo might say we all vote for the dollar in our pocket, yet some of us might have a greater vision for that dollar and how far and to whom it eventually benefits. They also didn't know how good they had it under Howard and were "bored" with the status quo.
The lack of caring anymore, is how we have ended up in this political situation in the first place.
The lack of memory is how we now have Rudd on the agenda.
It's just not in my nature to give up, especially when I work so damn hard and it saddens me when I hear the likes of Aaron Sice have given up, even though I know he does care.
Regards JO
Do I detect a high level of cynacism?
Honestly, I think it is hilarious and sad, that I and others could think the Labor Party would bring Rudd back. I've got to laugh because the other alternative is too sad.
Deltaberry:
AaronC: People have lost faith in politics as is obvious by these threads. If I only had a dollar for every person that said, "I don't like Gillard or Abbott, so I voted Green." They voted for themselves out of ignorance and/or the dollar in their pocket. Belbo might say we all vote for the dollar in our pocket, yet some of us might have a greater vision for that dollar and how far and to whom it eventually benefits. They also didn't know how good they had it under Howard and were "bored" with the status quo.
The lack of caring anymore, is how we have ended up in this political situation in the first place.
The lack of memory is how we now have Rudd on the agenda.
It's just not in my nature to give up, especially when I work so damn hard and it saddens me when I hear the likes of Aaron Sice have given up, even though I know he does care.
Regards JO
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