jaycee, let's be clear here. She wasn't making a point. She was expressing an opinion. If she wishes to provide evidence of her claim, then she can do that. Until then, it has no basis in fact.
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jaycee, let's be clear here. She wasn't making a point. She was expressing an opinion. If she wishes to provide evidence of her claim, then she can do that. Until then, it has no basis in fact.
Agreed.
By chopping out the sentence, ianvestor didn't show what opinon she was trying to portray. Sort out put it out of context, if not too strong a term
Wow, this is too hard.
Yeah... I used to believe in things when I was 22 too
As I travel through life I realize how little I know.
Don't cloud the issue of Pornography with the issue of sexual abuse. Sexual abuse of children/women (and men!) happened long before the advent of porn.
Likewise, these issues are different then the problems raised by the breakdown of the family unit from multiple economic, religious and social pressures.
Suffice to say- many men are not content with upheaval in previously accepted social roles. Arguably as many women do less and less on the homemaker and parenting front their usefulness to their male partners is reduced to their ability to meet the males sexual needs. These women have unwittingly reduced their value to a purely sexual one- they have contributed to being viewed as a sex object by their own behaviour.
As for the porn industry- run by bullies and grots I suspect- but how do you explain "amateur" porn between consentual partners- often not for financial reward?
I think this is what is so pervasive about the porn and adult industry. It has become so normalised and people have become convinced that it's harmless. Women are trying to keep up with pornography. Instead of speaking up and saying to their boyfriend/husband "I don't want you to watch that" they try to compete with it and feel like if they don't they will lose their husbands and boyfriends to the internet. In many ways it's much easier to ignore or even accept and embrace porn than fight against it.
I'd also argue a good proportion of amateur pornography was never supposed to hit the internet and I think a huge amount of private videos and photos are uploaded by angry ex boyfriends and ex husbands (and in some cases ex wives and ex girlfriends too). There is also no way we can know for sure if the men and women in those videos were paid or not. We can't even be sure that they were consenting or over the age of 18.
Like you said people's values and beliefs change a lot from age 22. They change even more from age 16. An amateur porn trend is something I think it really dangerous. Young men and women might upload these types of photographs and videos to the internet at a very young age without thinking about the consequences. Once something is published online it never goes away, it's there forever. The average age a child will first see pornography is 11 and I think a lot of children learn behavior through observation. Scary thought.
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The fact that you have to keep justifying how important 'equality' is shows how insecure you really are. My mother is a doctor but she doesn't go around complaining about sexual inequality. She just works hard, earns a decent living and above all does her job properly. Maybe it's time you focused on making yourself better off rather than b*tching about how cruel the world is?
You're a little too young to get so angry and stifle yourself
You're a little too young to get so angry and stifle yourself
I'm quoting your entire post this time, so I don't get in trouble for doing things 'on purpose'.
Another huge post Belle, and once again absolutely nothing in it to say why porn specifically is bad.
Why is it dangerous for 16-year-old kids? I don't see your argument. I can see how it would be dangerous to not use protection, but how's that a porn problem?
"Ullo Guvna!
What were those blokes talking about?
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(I couldn't get past the lingerie to pay attention long enough to hear what they were saying)
I think Jaycee thought I was having a go at their Pommie accents; given that his post was deleted for a personal attack?
I wasn't; just used the accent as the intro to the post. My stepdad and extended family are all Poms.
Bloomin' Lundunna's they is.
What were those blokes talking about?
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(I couldn't get past the lingerie to pay attention long enough to hear what they were saying
)I think Jaycee thought I was having a go at their Pommie accents; given that his post was deleted for a personal attack?
I wasn't; just used the accent as the intro to the post. My stepdad and extended family are all Poms.
Bloomin' Lundunna's they is.
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Why is it dangerous for children? As I said they learn their behavior through observation. If they see this type of material they may decide to upload something similar to the internet, which in my opinion is 100x worse than any text they could possibly put on the internet. At 12 years of age (in fact any age) that would be an absolutely life changing decision that can never be taken back. Most children have access to the internet and access to cameras these days. If you think pornography is OK so will your children.
If parents avoid the topic of pornography with their children then you’re putting your children into the hands of the internet. Like I said, scary! Keep in mind that NCMEC states that around 20% of all pornography contains children. Other research has found that 1 in 7 pornographic images is of a child.
If you can view pornography without your conscience questioning “I wonder what happened to this girl to put her in this situation? Would I treat my partner like that? Would my partner be hurt if he/she knew I was looking at this? Is the girl in this video over 18? Is this girl consenting? Is this girl a victim of human trafficking or human slavery? Was this video uploaded with consent?“ then I think you have a huge amount of issues that I will never be able to solve for you.
I can’t stop the manufacturing of pornography but I can decide that I won’t be a part of the problem. I’m not going to watch it. I’m not going to consume it. When people claim pornography doesn’t hurt anyone I’m going to say it hurts almost everyone involved except for the disgusting, inhumane organisations who produce and profit from it, you just haven’t done your research!
Why is it so much to ask that people don’t watch porn? People act all shocked. Wait, a world without porn? How is that possible? I mean seriously can people really not live without it? Use your imagination or go seduce your partner. I’m sure you can do without it!
If parents avoid the topic of pornography with their children then you’re putting your children into the hands of the internet. Like I said, scary! Keep in mind that NCMEC states that around 20% of all pornography contains children. Other research has found that 1 in 7 pornographic images is of a child.
If you can view pornography without your conscience questioning “I wonder what happened to this girl to put her in this situation? Would I treat my partner like that? Would my partner be hurt if he/she knew I was looking at this? Is the girl in this video over 18? Is this girl consenting? Is this girl a victim of human trafficking or human slavery? Was this video uploaded with consent?“ then I think you have a huge amount of issues that I will never be able to solve for you.
I can’t stop the manufacturing of pornography but I can decide that I won’t be a part of the problem. I’m not going to watch it. I’m not going to consume it. When people claim pornography doesn’t hurt anyone I’m going to say it hurts almost everyone involved except for the disgusting, inhumane organisations who produce and profit from it, you just haven’t done your research!
Why is it so much to ask that people don’t watch porn? People act all shocked. Wait, a world without porn? How is that possible? I mean seriously can people really not live without it? Use your imagination or go seduce your partner. I’m sure you can do without it!
Belle, I understand your view on pornography has been influenced by extremist feminist views, but do you really seriously think a couple of 12 year olds are going to make a porno and post it on the internet?
You say that porn hurts everyone involved in it, so post up your evidence that proves conclusively that it does.
You say that porn hurts everyone involved in it, so post up your evidence that proves conclusively that it does.
Yet again, you're talking about a 100% parenting problem, if 12 year olds can access and upload any type of material to the internet without supervision.
Stupid parents.
I feel sorry for any guy that thinks about all those things when viewing pornography... Obviously thinking with the wrong head.
Yes I do think 12 year olds are going to make pornography and post it on the internet. I knew a 15 year old girl who took photographs of her genitals and sent them to a guy that she was having a sexual relationship with via MMS. The guy sent the photos to all of his friends including my boyfriend at the time. My boyfriend showed me the picture because he thought it was funny. If I know kids who are actually doing this type of stuff, I'm sure there is much worse out there.
As I mentioned before a close friend of mine had her modeling photographs used without her permission to advertise a pornography website. That is just one example of someone close to me being hurt by pornography.
How about you post some conclusive evidence that proves pornography doesn't hurt anyone?
That's not an issue with the pornography industry, that's an issue with a naive young girl sending nude pictures of herself to a.... well, I can't really say as this is a family focused site.
Videos or pictures of underage children posted on the internet is child pornography. Supporters and purveyors of child porn are the lowest, worst scum on the planet. Having said that, your friend sending pictures of herself to her boyfriend is hardly the same as your assertion that 12 year olds are making porn videos and posting them on the internet. It's not even in the same ballpark.
Again, that is not an issue with the porn industry, that is an issue with an unscrupulous person, whom I hope your friend has pressed charges against and that person gets what is coming to them.
You were the one that made the claim. It is up to you to substantiate that claim. If you are unable to provide any evidence, then it is merely your opinion, with no basis in fact.
I know you're exhausted Belle but I'm interested to know in your words how she was hurt by this.
Was it pride? Poor girl.
Financial? Call the copyright police.
Why would you assume that she, or any other model, hasn't achieved more in life than what's represented within the context of a photo shoot?
Why the assumption that she's not a talented musician, or a student, or saving the money to be a volunteer in the third world? Shouldn't feminism applaud women taking control of their bodies and sexuality, without shame? I also found the "skanky stripper" comment offensive.
What if she finds it sexually gratifying herself, to display her body? Isn't that a valid choice? And why is it "either/or"? Can't she be sexually attractive AND valued for her many other attributes?
I don't know many men who seriously want to be with women that they see in the media / porn. I think it's escapism and fantasy. I think lots of porn is an aesthetic experience, more than it is reflective of what people want in their real life.Belle said:
I've seen beautiful pictures of cabins in the Artic tundra, which I consider majestic and idyllic, but I don't want to live there, and I don't go home to my house in the suburbs thinking "oh man, I have to live here instead of in the Arctic tundra". I know that the photo doesn't represent how logistically difficult life can be in the tundra, and that the photographer waited all day to get just the right light, and that for many months of the year all you can see is snow, and that it's freezing cold there.
Similarly, I give men credit for being able to distinguish between fantasy and reality.
Is it not even conceivable to you that some women might enjoy porn? That rather than trying to "keep up" with it, that they get some - ahem - new ideas that they want to implement? That they enjoy having the opportunity to enjoy porn, both alone and with their partners, in a way which wasn't as acceptable a generation ago?
The use of children, trafficking in women, and exploitation (sexual and otherwise) of the vulnerable are all very serious issues about which I also feel passionate. But I've never seen any convincing evidence that these are linked to pornography. Prostitution, yes, but porn, I doubt it. As you observed yourself, there is so much amateur porn out there these days that there's no need to take the kind of risks associated with people smuggling and exploiting children, in order to produce porn.
Belle, I'd say most adults are educated on this and many other 'adult' matters and have formed their views (made their own decisions).
Not agreeing with you doesn't mean a lack of education.
Perp, my thoughts exactly.
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Ian
Seriously, as another male, that post disgusts me.
Please don't explain in more detail I really don't want to know, but it's your right to I suppose. I'm not going to explain this post in more detail either.
Why would you assume that she, or any other model, hasn't achieved more in life than what's represented within the context of a photo shoot?
I also found the "skanky stripper" comment offensive.
What if she finds it sexually gratifying herself, to display her body? Isn't that a valid choice? And why is it "either/or"? Can't she be sexually attractive AND valued for her many other attributes?
I don't know many men who seriously want to be with women that they see in the media / porn. I think it's escapism and fantasy. I think lots of porn is an aesthetic experience, more than it is reflective of what people want in their real life.
I've seen beautiful pictures of cabins in the Artic tundra, which I consider majestic and idyllic, but I don't want to live there, and I don't go home to my house in the suburbs thinking "oh man, I have to live here instead of in the Arctic tundra". I know that the photo doesn't represent how logistically difficult life can be in the tundra, and that the photographer waited all day to get just the right light, and that for many months of the year all you can see is snow, and that it's freezing cold there.
Similarly, I give men credit for being able to distinguish between fantasy and reality.
Is it not even conceivable to you that some women might enjoy porn? That rather than trying to "keep up" with it, that they get some - ahem - new ideas that they want to implement? That they enjoy having the opportunity to enjoy porn, both alone and with their partners, in a way which wasn't as acceptable a generation ago?
The use of children, trafficking in women, and exploitation (sexual and otherwise) of the vulnerable are all very serious issues about which I also feel passionate. But I've never seen any convincing evidence that these are linked to pornography. Prostitution, yes, but porn, I doubt it. As you observed yourself, there is so much amateur porn out there these days that there's no need to take the kind of risks associated with people smuggling and exploiting children, in order to produce porn.
Is child pronography is not exploiting children ?
Or are you saying child pronography doesn't exist I knew there was a reason I usually only post in the morning... I'm not a "night person". Sorry for being unclear.Is child pronography is not exploiting children ?
Child pornography is disgusting and exploitative and yes, it exists. What I should have said is that it's unnecessary to use children or minors to produce pornography targeted at the mainstream, because there are plenty of legally aged people willing to participate.
We don't say to adults that they can't have sex because it would be inappropriate for children to have sex. In the same way, I think it's appropriate to have laws which say that adults can participate in and consume pornography, but that children mustn't be involved.
