Hows this for an RE ad?
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As long as they're not in ad's I guess it's okay.
If you say so Mark, if you say so.
Sorry I missed something here. The OP was commenting on an ad- we are now discussing the merits or otherwise of pornography.
Sorry but as a male I get a bit tired of invasive "wimmin friendly" views attempting to regulate my thought patterns. No, I don't see why I should have to go to the opposite side of the street at night so a woman on the same street is not worried that I may rape her. Lets move to the debate on pornography- shall we have a panel of snags and women in comfortable shoes regulating what we should watch as we can't make up our own minds? Should we actively promote women over men notwithstanding lack of experience, ability of failing to meet selection criteria. No Belle, your views are not unusaul... they are increasingly all too common in this day and age.
Men need a Germaine Greer equivalent nowadays... no not a bitter twisted spiteful barren old cow but a voice that will identify the erosion of mans rights and basically set the tone for a new model.
Modern life has become increasingly less rewarding for men- more work required for less return. Not enough to be the breadwinner- must also cook gourmet dinners, do dishes and look after the kids whilst the Princess relaxes after her stressful day.
Don't like it- fine split up and the Family Court will start at 70% for her 30% for him plus the Child Support.
How did it all start - indignant comments articles or posts about how some thing is prejudicial to a female- men ignore these cancerous comments and then the damage is done.
If people dont like the ad dont watch it. But dont try to regulate other's enjoyment or appreciation of it because it doesn't fit with your view.
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Using ones body appeal, whether it's to make money like this girl is, or to attract the attention of that cute new guy on a Saturday night is much the same thing, only to a different degree.
I'm sure in some cultures many think our more modest dress is tramplike.
Belle your argument is based on your personal moral view, and you're entitled to that. I don't know what it has to do with feminism.
If anyone is doubting anyone's intelligence it's probably you. I doubt if this girl cares if she is seen as nothing more than a hot chick or a great body when that's what she's emphasising.
She's a model and gets paid to use her body.
I really don't see how dressing like this takes away from how men view a womans intelligence - hers or the general female population.
Men are not using her anymore than she is using them, and the industry of selling the body (and I'm not necessarily talking prostitution here) is often run by other women.
I'd have a problem with a daughter, mother or husband doing this only if it was part of a larger problem ie. addicted to extreme attention, needing the money to support a drug problem, they're underage.
I could think of far worse things that would concern me.
As long as they're not harming themselves or others, and I don't see the harm in this, then it's fine.
I'm sure in some cultures many think our more modest dress is tramplike.
Belle your argument is based on your personal moral view, and you're entitled to that. I don't know what it has to do with feminism.
If anyone is doubting anyone's intelligence it's probably you. I doubt if this girl cares if she is seen as nothing more than a hot chick or a great body when that's what she's emphasising.
She's a model and gets paid to use her body.
I really don't see how dressing like this takes away from how men view a womans intelligence - hers or the general female population.
Men are not using her anymore than she is using them, and the industry of selling the body (and I'm not necessarily talking prostitution here) is often run by other women.
I'd have a problem with a daughter, mother or husband doing this only if it was part of a larger problem ie. addicted to extreme attention, needing the money to support a drug problem, they're underage.
I could think of far worse things that would concern me.
As long as they're not harming themselves or others, and I don't see the harm in this, then it's fine.
I honestly think I’ve written everything I possibly can on this issue so I won’t write anymore because I’ll start repeating myself.
I totally understand why men are frustrated these days. They’re expected to work full time, look after the children, cook and clean. Women are also expected to work full time and take on the bulk of the domestic work.
I actually feel like both partners working full time isn’t an ideal situation especially when you have young children and the cost of living seems to have crept up to keep pace with the fact most households now have two incomes.
In a perfect world I think it would be wonderful if families could survive off one salary as we did in the past. The man could work 2.5 days and the woman could work 2.5 days or just one partner could work.
I would love to live in a society where men are just as likely to be a stay at home parent as women are. I feel like a man would really be looked down on and would face a lot of judgment if he stayed at home with the kids – but I actually think being a parent is the most difficult job a person can take on and stay at home dads are the most adorable thing ever!
Obviously for this type of situation to work women would need to reach equal pay. I think at the moment women at paid 80 cents for every $1 a man is paid.
I totally understand why men are frustrated these days. They’re expected to work full time, look after the children, cook and clean. Women are also expected to work full time and take on the bulk of the domestic work.
I actually feel like both partners working full time isn’t an ideal situation especially when you have young children and the cost of living seems to have crept up to keep pace with the fact most households now have two incomes.
In a perfect world I think it would be wonderful if families could survive off one salary as we did in the past. The man could work 2.5 days and the woman could work 2.5 days or just one partner could work.
I would love to live in a society where men are just as likely to be a stay at home parent as women are. I feel like a man would really be looked down on and would face a lot of judgment if he stayed at home with the kids – but I actually think being a parent is the most difficult job a person can take on and stay at home dads are the most adorable thing ever!
Obviously for this type of situation to work women would need to reach equal pay. I think at the moment women at paid 80 cents for every $1 a man is paid.
I'd never heard of her, but jeez, it wasn't hard to guess what she would look like.
What a surprise.
Pornography is harmless as long as she is never EVER allowed to be in it.
This is just another feminist myth. Show me one single example where in the same company a woman is paid 80% of the wage a man is paid when they work the same amount of hours, have the same responsibilities and the same qualifications.
Women are paid - on average - less than men because:
- men work longer hours
- men are more likely to travel for work
- men work in high risk professions that women don't
If this claim was true, it wouldn't make sense for employers to employ men for $1 when they could employ women in the same job for 80 cents. Female tennis players get paid the same amount of prize money as male players, even though they do 60% of the work. How is that equal?
I'd never heard of her, but jeez, it wasn't hard to guess what she would look like.
What a surprise.
Pornography is harmless as long as she is never EVER allowed to be in it.
Ah, good ole Andrea Dworkin. Now there's a fair and balanced view on male-female relationships! Here are a couple of choice quotes from this bastion of feminism:
"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." (yes that's right - she claims heterosexual sex is rape)
"Under patriarchy every woman's son is her betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."
So according to Andrea, every male is automatically a rapist. It's good to know that you look up to someone like this Belle, it certainly says a lot about you. Just curious, who are some other feminist icons you look up to? Catherine MacKinnon? Marilyn French? Susan Faludi?
Why the eye roll Belle? You used her to defend your stance. Andrea Dworkin is to male-female relationships what Hitler is to race relations. In all seriousness, she is a very deeply disturbed individual.
Oh dear... Belle.
Can you not see that these are simply feel good personal views that you'd like to see enforced on others in your idealistic world?
Mine would be to all be born Millionaires, for the world to have no prejudices, wars or sickness, and to be one happy family. I don't blame a particular gender for any of our misery.
I'm with Mark, that men are getting the raw end of the stick nowadays.
Men still work more hours than women and do more at home than ever before. Many men would like to work less but I'd doubt women would want to increase their hours to allow them to do so. Men mostly still wear most of the pressure of supporting their families.
I've witnessed first hand women that are allowed time off from work to attend to children, yet the men are frowned upon by their collegues if they do it as often as women.
Believe it or not families do have a choice on how they divide their time between work and home duties - society doesn't make those decisions for us.
And believe it or not, many women work because they want to, and their families don't fall apart.
How old are you Belle?
Can you not see that these are simply feel good personal views that you'd like to see enforced on others in your idealistic world?
Mine would be to all be born Millionaires, for the world to have no prejudices, wars or sickness, and to be one happy family. I don't blame a particular gender for any of our misery.
I'm with Mark, that men are getting the raw end of the stick nowadays.
Men still work more hours than women and do more at home than ever before. Many men would like to work less but I'd doubt women would want to increase their hours to allow them to do so. Men mostly still wear most of the pressure of supporting their families.
I've witnessed first hand women that are allowed time off from work to attend to children, yet the men are frowned upon by their collegues if they do it as often as women.
Believe it or not families do have a choice on how they divide their time between work and home duties - society doesn't make those decisions for us.
And believe it or not, many women work because they want to, and their families don't fall apart.
How old are you Belle?
It all comes down to your interpretation of those quotes. I don't believe she was saying that all heterosexual sex is rape. I’m a fan of Dworkin because she wrote so much on pornography which is an issue I’m particularly passionate about.
I’m confused as to why the men here are unable to sympathise with women but they are so quick to complain about all of the sexist inequities that impact on them. Sexism works both ways and I sympathise with men as much as I do with women.
I don't want to force my ideas or opinions onto anyone else. You are all free to do whatever you want. I’d never suggest laws that ban prostitution, pornography or strip clubs because I think they do more harm than good. I’d prefer that people were educated and then free to make their own decisions.
I believe men convince themselves/let themselves be convinced that the women in these commercials enjoy the attention, that the women in pornography, strip clubs and brothels enjoy their jobs or that they're just doing it to pay their way through their law degree. Well I don't agree. I think there is a good chance they hate their job. I think that a disproportionate amount of women who work in the adult industry have been sexually molested as children and sexually assaulted and raped as adults. I think a disproportionate amount of these women come from backgrounds of extreme poverty, physical abuse and drug addiction. I think the women who work in these industries are absolutely traumatised both physically and mentally. But I think you would all prefer to live in fairy land where all women are nymphomaniacs.
I'm 22.
Arguing about this is getting completely exhausting. You have all heard my view on this stuff I don't think I need to write another essay! Agree, don't agree, whatever.
I’m confused as to why the men here are unable to sympathise with women but they are so quick to complain about all of the sexist inequities that impact on them. Sexism works both ways and I sympathise with men as much as I do with women.
I don't want to force my ideas or opinions onto anyone else. You are all free to do whatever you want. I’d never suggest laws that ban prostitution, pornography or strip clubs because I think they do more harm than good. I’d prefer that people were educated and then free to make their own decisions.
I believe men convince themselves/let themselves be convinced that the women in these commercials enjoy the attention, that the women in pornography, strip clubs and brothels enjoy their jobs or that they're just doing it to pay their way through their law degree. Well I don't agree. I think there is a good chance they hate their job. I think that a disproportionate amount of women who work in the adult industry have been sexually molested as children and sexually assaulted and raped as adults. I think a disproportionate amount of these women come from backgrounds of extreme poverty, physical abuse and drug addiction. I think the women who work in these industries are absolutely traumatised both physically and mentally. But I think you would all prefer to live in fairy land where all women are nymphomaniacs.
I'm 22.
Arguing about this is getting completely exhausting. You have all heard my view on this stuff I don't think I need to write another essay! Agree, don't agree, whatever.
Well, they can join the club then.
You didn't quote the next sentence - on purpose ?
I think unfortuantely that perhaps it might be correct, don't know, just a bloke with that feeling/view...
Big whoop guys and girls,
As long as women are willing to take off their clothes, men are willing to watch.
As long as men are willing to pay, women will charge. This cycle is not new.
If that's the way she derives an income, that fine. I'm glad I'm not supporting her on the dole. Just don't cry me a river if you want to become a school teacher and your photos go public. There has to be consequences.
However, her photo shoot was on the lower end of the scale. I've heard that there's much worse than that on the net.
As long as women are willing to take off their clothes, men are willing to watch.
As long as men are willing to pay, women will charge. This cycle is not new.
If that's the way she derives an income, that fine. I'm glad I'm not supporting her on the dole. Just don't cry me a river if you want to become a school teacher and your photos go public. There has to be consequences.
However, her photo shoot was on the lower end of the scale. I've heard that there's much worse than that on the net.
I didn't quote the first sentence either, or the fourth one.
and you missed the point she was making because of it in her quote.
