You're right, WW.
And as we both know, that it what matters.
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You're right, WW.
... And I'd ask you to contemplate more mindfully and emotionally detached, your motive in this thread to present Landmark only in a positive light, and deride anything different. If that is part of the skill set Landmark teach, and is so fresh in your mind, then I feel vindicated.
That you have chosen not to rationally and impartially accept the very real life experiences of the two Landmark attendees I mention, speaks volumes. It says that, rather than accept Landmark causes a range of outcomes, that you have a pressing need to justify to yourself and others, your decision to spend $600 and the time and energy on the course was based on the most superior rationality. And now, via your overt derisive stance against my perspective, you are cognitively reinforcing that Landmark "needs" to be everything you perceived it would be, and nothing that you didn't.
Can I suggest that currently you are emotionally invested in the Landmark process more than you will be in 4-6 weeks.....and that you reconsider then, whether your response today was warranted.
Aaron, my issue with Landmark is the way it promotes itself as a universal escape vehicle from the discontent the majority of humanity suffer.
they promote essentially emotional intelligence. they're not some 3 day psychiatric course.
The company brands itself as a responsible corporation designed and run by health professionals. It leverages off the trust people put in the compassion and professional ethics of the health professions and science.
....because they are selling their time and information.
However, rather than behave as health professionals, it prioritizes profits by not screening potential clients and their personal issues.
how on EARTH can they do that, if they're dealing with people who have minimal (or want more) emotional intelligence? are these people goign to fess up to their shortcomings immediately....? will they even recognise them?
Further, as intelligent educated health professionals, Landmark management have no excuse not to understand the significant opportunity cost of the course fee for an average income earner.
Regarding your interpretation of friend X and Y, Landmark didn't help them deal effectively with their issues. In fact it did the opposite, and therefore compounded the adversity. If you haven't done a large group course like this before Aaron, you may be surprised that most attendees carry similar heavy burdens. People don't part with $600 to be helped with trivial issues. Not every attendee has all their ducks lined up like Perp.
having attended a few, i understand fully. they're not 100% of the solution, they may only be the first 10%. the rest involves action, thinking, possibly some psychiatric evaluation. i don't know - i haven't done landmark specifically. the first step is the hardest and many people take the message the wrong way. liek the old saying, don't confuse action with progress.
As I have stated earlier, yes Landmark may help some attendees by opening their minds to a previously unexplored realm of introspection. However, I uphold that it falls well short of what it promotes itself as.
people attending are clearly there to "find more". it may not be enough or too much for some, or just clearly what they weren't looking for. that's a fact of life - happens with car purchases, share traders, house buying, marriages....
WW, can I suggest that your responses in the last few pages of this thread (which I have just read) contain waay more evidence of emotional investment than anything ozperp has said. IMO the only ''overt[ly] derisive stance" is exhibited in your own posts. Perhaps if you come back and read this in 4-6 weeks you will see who, in fact, was wedded to their position regardless of contrary evidence. I accept that you know people who didn't seem to get any benefit from the program. Fair enough; I'm sure there are many who haven't. But it seems to me that you have discounted the legitimacy of someone else's first hand experience as an 'expert' observer with no first hand experience of your own.
i think everyone just need to back the f_k up a bit.
if you do truly believe there are flaws, maybe you should try and fix any shortcomings you see by getting involved with it and change their screening process (or introduce one) instead of having a whinge on the innanet.
*SIGH* if you're gonna agree with the French govt on anything, then i end my participation.
Fascinating thread. If I can quote Frank Sinatra from a 1962 movie (one of my favorite movies actually):
" Raymond Shaw is the kindest , bravest, warmest most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life"
Aaron Sice;694467 take your double psych major said:I thought old Juvenal WW was a Physio major. No?
I thought old Juvenal WW was a Physio major. No?
Sorry to disagree but I thought Landmark was crap and walked out by lunchtime on the second day, despite them trying to not let me leave.
They do use some brainwashing tecniques like repeating specific phrases over and over which I found creepy. I would not want my daughter doing any of the courses.
I've done a lot of self development work by myself over the years and feel that I have have a really good sense of self and dont need this sort of thing.
Just my opinion.
Physio isn't a major meconium. It is a bachelors or masters.
Put lipstick on a pig, and it's still a pig with lipstick.But coursework is coursework, wouldn't you say? It's amazing just how many grads these days are incapable of thinking critically or stringing a sentence together.
BTW when was Physio first introduced as a formal degree? Will Osteopathy and Naturopathy follow? How bout Basket Weaving? *wink*
Put lipstick on a pig, and it's still a pig with lipstick.
And what's the difference when uneducated illiterates are not any better either.
But no, coursework is NOT coursework.
And this mob is propaganda more than coursework.
Geezus, you for real or what...