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Enlighten me please, this wireless technology what does it connect to? I mean when I decide to connect to the net via a wireless connection where does it connect to? Another wireless connection? Perhaps a satellite? Or maybe it bounces off Tony Abbots ears?

It connects to hard wires, which means its not scalable, has limited capacity and the speed is ultimately limited by the antennae receiving the signal and the hard wires its connected. This in turn means as population\take up grows speed\capacity falls even further. Unless we perpetually build more and more antennaes in NEW areas and EXISTING areas, it will never ever end, and for what??, for a solution which is vastly inferior to what the alternative is.

Before doing this personally I would prefer to do nothing and simply delay... That way the government can remain consistent i.e. wait forever to spend a single dollar any new infrastructure just as they do with trains, roads, airports, ports or anything else the opposition will lable "reckless spending".

The real joke is that NBN can (and will) easily support wireless technology as its highly scalable/extendable however wireless can NEVER EVER replace the NBN to suggest so is just absurd. If your issue is the amount being spent thats fine but thats your personal opinion but to suggest its a "better technological solution" is plain wrong.

Also... How do you think the NBN came about Winston? I am really curious. Do you think the Government sat down with industry experts in the relevant fields and were told. Dear Kevin wireless technology is the best way going forward but theres another option costing 10x as much, does the same thing and is called the NBN? Then Kevin though hmmmmm... i do like the squander money lets go with the NBN?

Seriously we either start going with what the is suggested by the experts or we simply start running around in circles and do nothing... something unfortunately Australia as a whole seems its becoming an expert in.

Let's hope Gillard takes note of the ABS quarterly review of internet activity. Trend growth in wireless broadband in the face of static fixed broadband cannot be ignored.

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If that were the case, you would bet on labor at every election wouldn't you?

It depends. The brain washing results in Julia lovers thinking the Federal Govt is responsible for everything. Most can't differentiate LGA and State govt responsibility from Federal.


Tell us again what some principle from anytown australia said? :rolleyes:


Tell the teachers that get sacked they can line up for one of the public education jobs Julia's going to pay for with the money she withholds from private schools.
 
Also... How do you think the NBN came about Winston? I am really curious. Do you think the Government sat down with industry experts in the relevant fields and were told. Dear Kevin wireless technology is the best way going forward but theres another option costing 10x as much, does the same thing and is called the NBN? Then Kevin though hmmmmm... i do like the squander money lets go with the NBN?

Tim, being a blind Labor-ite I presume you haven't heard of sensible cheaper solutions like private/public mix of FTTN, dsl, satellite and wireless.....nor I presume can you point out how GDP has benefited from Japan and Sth Korea fast broadband.

The reason Rudd was big on NBN was it's the attention attracting big ticket item all fiscally irresponsible lefties love to throw out there to get people's attention off harder problems like lack of cap city infrastructure and longer commute times. So when does 100b get thrown at roads, rail, and hospitals? And what do internet specialists know about the relative need for these Tim?

And finally Tim, have another look at wireless growth and point out how congested speed issues are slowing uptake rate.
 
So, in conclusion, can we agree ;

1. I was wrong. My reading of the independents' actions was clearly incorrect. I should have made an omelette rather than wait to count my chickens.

2. Labor is in power.

3. Liberal voters will continue to vote Liberal and Labor voters will continue to vote Labor.
 
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So, in conclusion, can we agree ;

1. I was wrong. My reading of the independents' actions was clearly incorrect. I should have made an omelette rather than wait to count my chickens.

2. Labor is in power.

3. Liberal voters will continue to vote Liberal and Labor voters will continue to vote Labor.

4. Protest voters may be less happy when they think what they did.
 
what i want to know is this.....


..... what percentage takeup is NBN-Co assuming when working out the feasibility of delivering FTTH to 93% of australia?
I bet they are assuming a >70% takeup.

Considering that currently, where ADSL is available, only around 60-70% currently usilise it... and of those, I would strongly suggest 80% do not need a service of greater than ADSL2+ speed... and thus would most likely not bother with NBN connection.

In fact, ADSL subscriptions are DECLINING! People are taking up wireless internet instead.... even when ADSL2+ is available, many are chosing wireless instead, as it is cheaper and more convenient for the majority of households, as they only have very light and frivolous use of the internet - such as checking emails, facebook and occasionally a silly youtube video.

Now apply this to the NBN:
Labor is going to make us pay to deliver fibre-to-the-home to 93% of the population... and most likely only 20% of households will realistically take it up?


HOW THE FUDGE DOES THAT STACK UP?



As i said before in this thread. It would make WAAAAAAY more sense to build an "NBN-lite", which delivers a strong fibre backbone, fibre to businesses, schools, hospitals, etc, and allows for future upgrading should we find that we really do need fibre to the home one day.
Delivering fibre to so many households is just silly. It will cost a metric arseload, and deliver little to no benefit to the economy. It will just allow people to download movies faster - fat lotta good that does for the economy.


Realistically - i think people will chose wireless over hard wired. More and more people are doing it... so why would the trend suddenly change?


The feasibility of NBN just doesnt stack up for me.
Even though i would love to have it :D
 
It was always a bet on the many sources of media political bias and brain washing of younger generations.

Yes, the entire election was decided by younger generations who believed everything they were told, shown or heard by a biased media.

Fortunately the old people like WW who believed everything they were told, shown or heard by the pathetic Australian newspaper and its diseased cohort of tabloid stablemates were outnumbered and unable to change the result.
 
If you intend on being blaise and oh-so-cool about the subject of what an educator said, it would help your 'cool factor' if you spelt Principal correctly.....like Winston is clearly able to.

Since when was it cool to be able to spell? I thought the cool kids sat up the back talkin to chicks and not learnin nothin...

Anyway, I have no problem with "educators" and their opinions, but its as good as yours or mine, and doesn't add much here.

Besides, I thought there was a problem with the credibility of the Green party based on a percentage of them being "educators".
 
I thought there was a problem with the credibility of the Green party based on a percentage of them being "educators".

If you reverse that, I see a problem with the percentage of educators being Green party supporters.

And the Greens want to give 16 yr olds the vote. How cynical is that?
 
Yes, the entire election was decided by younger generations who believed everything they were told, shown or heard by a biased media.

Fortunately the old people like WW who believed everything they were told, shown or heard by the pathetic Australian newspaper and its diseased cohort of tabloid stablemates were outnumbered and unable to change the result.

Careful with the 'old' Gordie.....being a Leftie, multiculturalism and politically correctness are your religious tenets.

Gordie, I agree Murdoch has stuffed the Courier-Mail, now that he targets younger generations with sex, movie stars, and other assorted lcd brain bubble gum. Shall we blame the left's influence of the education curriculum again?

Nevertheless, The Australian is a healthy counterpoint to the constant flow of ill informed extreme left drivel and green scaredy tactics that come out of fairfax and the ABC's and SBS's stable of ex student union dills.
 
....The feasibility of NBN just doesnt stack up for me.
Even though i would love to have it :D

Interesting, would have the railways when built early in the 20th century been built based on the same rationale as has been levied for the reasons not to build the NBN ie economic return, alternatives transport options etc.... ? :confused:
 
Interesting, would have the railways when built early in the 20th century been built based on the same rationale as has been levied for the reasons not to build the NBN ie economic return, alternatives transport options etc.... ? :confused:
Yes! Yes! Yes! They were built to satisfy a desperate need. Roads were hopeless and trucks carried a fraction of the load they do today.

Ever heard the term "Railroad Barons"? There was a dollar to be made.
 
Nevertheless, The Australian is a healthy counterpoint to the constant flow of ill informed extreme left drivel and green scaredy tactics that come out of fairfax and the ABC's and SBS's stable of ex student union dills.

It's going to be obvious that the campaign The Australian and its allies will shortly commence (if not today) will be anything but healthy. News Corp did not get their own way and the lengths they will now go to unfairly undermine, discredit, sensationalise, misconstrue, conspire, and distort the government elected with nothing but sewage journalism will become apparent.

The headline on the front of today's Herald-Sun: Good Luck Australia. Not a real positive start.
 
If you intend on being blaise and oh-so-cool about the subject of what an educator said, it would help your 'cool factor' if you spelt Principal correctly.....like Winston is clearly able to.

Blaise? As in Blaise Pascal? Why is he pretending to be a French mathematician?
 
Hey Winston, I'm ultra left, do you consider me politically correct?

Like most cultural Marxists Mark, you consider yourself one of the more equal, and therefore excused from observing the rules you expect the less equal to follow. You're the type that finds joyful purpose in punishing dissent and stigmatizing social heresy. Intolerance is your catchcry.

Apart from that, I'd happily fight ze Germans beside you.
 
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