Rates drop 25bp

So just under a 1$mil exposure to WBC?
Or rather Westpac has 1million exposure to Tim.

I find Westpac internet banking fine, reliable, functional, doesn't depend on the latest rendering technologies. Older websites tend to be faster too since there used to be a lot of emphasis on minimizing page sizes.
 
No surprise they are still so far off the rest of the big4...

On pricing and the services they provide in terms of technology.

They are in the dinosaur ages with what they offer to client and what technology they have for staff...

Actually they are excellent on pricing for applicants that are highly geared. Lets take a 95% lend for say $550k - Westpac will do 5.26% (prior to rate cut) and CBA will do what 5.55%?

Also not sure how you can call them dinosaurs when CBA still can't provide customers with a proper offset account?
 
Or rather Westpac has 1million exposure to Tim.

I find Westpac internet banking fine, reliable, functional, doesn't depend on the latest rendering technologies. Older websites tend to be faster too since there used to be a lot of emphasis on minimizing page sizes.

You obviously haven't tried the alternatives then. I honestly have no idea what the balance of my westpac account is, because on a thursday evening when I do my banking, I can't stand to log into westpac's horrid system. Netbank, on the other hand, is veeery user friendly.
 
Or rather Westpac has 1million exposure to Tim.

I find Westpac internet banking fine, reliable, functional, doesn't depend on the latest rendering technologies. Older websites tend to be faster too since there used to be a lot of emphasis on minimizing page sizes.

A little bit more than 1 million, we have about $160 000 fixed for another 2.5 years at 5.39% so the rate cut made no difference on that money.

I don't mind westpac, of all the banks I've had to deal with they are the best. They are still horrible, don't get me wrong. But they are more like getting slapped in the face by their lending process rather than being firmly bent over like other banks I've dealt with.

My variable rate with westpac is now 4.98% which I think is pretty good.
 
Ok... I don't really understand how the whole thing works. Just one question is bugging me.
Say the Reserve bank increase the rate from 2.5% to 3%. Who gets to keep that extra 0.5%?!?

ok two questions. We borrow from banks. Banks borrow from big banks. Where do those big banks get money from? China?!?
 
No surprise they are still so far off the rest of the big4...

On pricing and the services they provide in terms of technology.

They are in the dinosaur ages with what they offer to client and what technology they have for staff...

This is funny.

IME over the last ten 12 years they have consistently provided credit to us when the others (notably CBA and ANZ in particular) have said "no way". I distinctly remember reps from those two institutions flinching when they ran our serviceability numbers back in the day when we had a cash offer swinging in the wind. They couldn't run away fast enough!

I was starting to sweat by that stage - we had submitted a cash offer on the basis of a Member's Equity rep saying it would be "no problem" but then apologising (after our offer was accepted) for using the wrong servicing calculator for that loan amount - and then saying "by the way, you're on your own - bye!" in not so many words before exiting stage left as fast as possible.

But when I walked into WBC and they ran the numbers they said "sure, no problem, is there anything else we can do for your today?". I was so surprised I asked them to re-run the numbers just to be sure. They confirmed we had plenty of servicing capacity - almost asking would you like to buy another property perhaps? The others (ANZ, CBA, ME) had said "you've got to be joking" and wrote us off as completely irresponsible (they may have had a point of course...) - the difference was chalk and cheese.

Of course I have since discovered this site and the joy of brokers so all this is hardly relevant anymore but an experience like that kinda sticks in your mind given the amount of money we had swinging in the wind...

As for the rate cut - woohoo!
 
This is funny.

IME over the last ten 12 years they have consistently provided credit to us when the others (notably CBA and ANZ in particular) have said "no way". I distinctly remember reps from those two institutions flinching when they ran our serviceability numbers back in the day when we had a cash offer swinging in the wind. They couldn't run away fast enough!

I was starting to sweat by that stage - we had submitted a cash offer on the basis of a Member's Equity rep saying it would be "no problem" but then apologising (after our offer was accepted) for using the wrong servicing calculator for that loan amount - and then saying "by the way, you're on your own - bye!" in not so many words before exiting stage left as fast as possible.

But when I walked into WBC and they ran the numbers they said "sure, no problem, is there anything else we can do for your today?". I was so surprised I asked them to re-run the numbers just to be sure. They confirmed we had plenty of servicing capacity - almost asking would you like to buy another property perhaps? The others (ANZ, CBA, ME) had said "you've got to be joking" and wrote us off as completely irresponsible (they may have had a point of course...) - the difference was chalk and cheese.

Of course I have since discovered this site and the joy of brokers so all this is hardly relevant anymore but an experience like that kinda sticks in your mind given the amount of money we had swinging in the wind...

As for the rate cut - woohoo!

Westpac by far has the best customer service I have found so far as well. That's largely in part to the loan manager that I deal with directly. She is very very good. She went on holidays though and I got to see how hopeless the other loan managers were... that was a painful experience.

What I've learnt is that Brokers are only as good as the banks they deal with.

But to be honest no matter which bank you go through, whether you use a broker or not, my experience is that you will be royally ****ed around for months due to bull **** reasons.

Ah the joys of getting finance :)
 
Ok... I don't really understand how the whole thing works. Just one question is bugging me.
Say the Reserve bank increase the rate from 2.5% to 3%. Who gets to keep that extra 0.5%?!?

ok two questions. We borrow from banks. Banks borrow from big banks. Where do those big banks get money from? China?!?

Ask Ross Gittins

Every bank has an account with the Reserve called its ''exchange settlement account''. Just about every monetary transaction in the economy goes through these accounts. As Debelle explains, when you pay your electricity bill by direct debit, the funds are effectively transferred from your bank account, across the exchange settlement account of your bank to that of your electricity company's bank and into the electricity company's account.

All these transactions mean the balance in each bank's exchange settlement account goes up and down throughout the day. But the Reserve requires each bank to ensure its account always has a positive balance. Banks that leave funds in their account overnight are paid interest at a rate 0.25 percentage points below the cash rate, whereas banks that look like having a negative balance may borrow the difference from the Reserve overnight at a rate 0.25 percentage points above the cash rate.

Get it? These penalties are designed to encourage the banks to borrow and lend to each other overnight at the (more attractive) cash rate.

The Reserve's ability to control the cash rate arises because it has complete control over the supply of funds in this market. It ensures there is just sufficient supply to meet the demand for funds at the interest rate it is targeting.

Where an increase in demand threatens to push the interest rate up, it will use its ''open market operations'' to increase the supply of funds just sufficiently to keep the rate where it wants it. Where a fall in demand for funds threatens to push the rate down, the Reserve will reduce the supply to ensure the rate doesn't change.

Historically, the Reserve would increase the supply of cash by buying second-hand government bonds from the banks and paying for them with cash. (Note that in this context, ''cash'' doesn't mean notes and coins, it's a nickname for the funds in exchange settlement accounts.)

Conversely, it would reduce the supply of funds by selling bonds to the banks, which they had to pay for from their exchange settlement accounts. These days, however, the Reserve achieves the same effect using repurchase agreements (''repos'').

The main reason for fluctuations in the overall daily demand for exchange settlement funds is transactions involving the Reserve's one big banking customer, the federal government.

Demand will rise on days when the government's receipts from taxation exceed its payments of pensions and all the rest. Demand for cash will fall on days when the government's payments exceed its receipts.

All this ensures the Reserve has a vicelike grip on the cash rate. And this gives it the ability to influence all the other interest rates in the economy. Why? Because the cash rate is, in effect, the anchor point for all other rates.

Banks fund only a very small part of their operations in the cash market, Debelle explains, but all their funding could be done from that market if they wanted to.

The rate at which they're prepared to borrow for periods longer than overnight is the averaged expected path of the cash rate over the life of the loan plus various margins for risk.

If this were not the case, a bank would be better off borrowing all the funds it needed in the overnight cash market and rolling them over every day.

The reason banks borrow and lend at rates higher or lower than the average expected cash rate over the life of the loan is the need to allow for the various risks involved (the risk of not being repaid, the risk in agreeing to lend your money for a longer time, and so forth) and, of course, profit margins along the way.

For several years leading up to the global financial crisis, these various margins (known as ''spreads'' or ''premia'') didn't change much, meaning a change in the cash rate brought about an identical change in mortgage and other bank lending rates.

Since the crisis, however, margins have been changing a lot, as a result of people realising they weren't charging enough to cover the risks they were running, and our banks realising they needed more domestic, retail and longer-term funding to protect them against future crises, leading to intense competition between them to attract term deposits.
 
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Actually they are excellent on pricing for applicants that are highly geared. Lets take a 95% lend for say $550k - Westpac will do 5.26% (prior to rate cut) and CBA will do what 5.55%?

Also not sure how you can call them dinosaurs when CBA still can't provide customers with a proper offset account?

Not saying they don't price match. Well aware of the extra discounts they can offer.

I can call them dinosaurs because of there process for staff and online banking. My mum works for them and banks with them :)

I'm happy with my offset as it is at the moment, will be a slight change when CBA finally meets the rest of the market with a transactional offset (hopefully in next few months ;))... Assuming that's what you meant by 'proper offset'
 
Or rather Westpac has 1million exposure to Tim.

I find Westpac internet banking fine, reliable, functional, doesn't depend on the latest rendering technologies. Older websites tend to be faster too since there used to be a lot of emphasis on minimizing page sizes.

I find Westpac online banking useless. WTF with the $1,500 transaction limit and those stupid security thingos that don't work. At least they lend money and cheaply when others wont. I have to use cheques from west pac to make a transaction. I write large lump sum cheques and deposit them in St G to do my transactions.
 
Westpac does do stupid things though. I've had the loan manager tell me they won't lend anything at all to people who have over 50% of their income in rent. so you could own every building in the city and live off of billions of dollars profit per year from the rent but Westpac won't touch you because as they said "what if a tenant moves out". I said it took us one day to find a tenant last time. what if you get fired? it takes more than one day to find another job. but no to Westpac you are much better off being in the workforce with no job security than having multiple investment properties earning over $100 000 per year profit. god I fkn hate banks.
 
Westpac does do stupid things though. I've had the loan manager tell me they won't lend anything at all to people who have over 50% of their income in rent. so you could own every building in the city and live off of billions of dollars profit per year from the rent but Westpac won't touch you because as they said "what if a tenant moves out". I said it took us one day to find a tenant last time. what if you get fired? it takes more than one day to find another job. but no to Westpac you are much better off being in the workforce with no job security than having multiple investment properties earning over $100 000 per year profit. god I fkn hate banks.

That policy applies when your LVR is over 80%. Stupid policy? Yes agree.
 
Not saying they don't price match. Well aware of the extra discounts they can offer.

I can call them dinosaurs because of there process for staff and online banking. My mum works for them and banks with them :)

I'm happy with my offset as it is at the moment, will be a slight change when CBA finally meets the rest of the market with a transactional offset (hopefully in next few months ;))... Assuming that's what you meant by 'proper offset'

Hey there I was talking about pricing matching - the rates quoted are standard "walk into the branch" rates. As for the MISA what can I say that already hasn't been said before.
 
That policy applies when your LVR is over 80%. Stupid policy? Yes agree.

But the LVR isn't over 80%... at least I don't think it is.

It's actually my dad going for the loan with westpac and getting knocked back for this reason. They just told him, we put your income into the computer system and it got knocked back because your income is over 50% rents.
 
That policy applies when your LVR is over 80%. Stupid policy? Yes agree.

FYI we use a CBA Mortgage Innovations Broker based in Bendigo VIC. These are brokers who sell CBA only products.Sounds dodgy but they match the best in the market without the banks bureaucracy.

100% satisfied with service, price and flexibility. And being in business we are not easy customers to assess.

Service example: he contacted me to say they had a deal going and I could raise my LOC by $100k and get a another 0.1% off rack rate on all loans if I wanted. Special deal.

I said yes , why not but I have no time to fill in forms. Hate forms.

No worries, he said. Sign one application form and I will do it all, as being CBA customers he has our approval to access all our accounts. Within 1 week we got another $100K and the discount. No fees, No charges.

Before him, we tried our local CBA bank and got the typical loan officer all off 23 with no experience or IPS who after assessing our situation said: on these figures, you should not even have the loans you have, let alone more:eek:

FYI with no affiliation to CBA, Peter 14.7
 
But the LVR isn't over 80%... at least I don't think it is.

It's actually my dad going for the loan with westpac and getting knocked back for this reason. They just told him, we put your income into the computer system and it got knocked back because your income is over 50% rents.

Tell them that this is MI only policy - they cannot knock it back on Westpac policy. There must be another issue and this guy/girl is guessing as to the reason or there may be an underlying issue which he isn't noting.
 
FYI we use a CBA Mortgage Innovations Broker based in Bendigo VIC. These are brokers who sell CBA only products.Sounds dodgy but they match the best in the market without the banks bureaucracy.

100% satisfied with service, price and flexibility. And being in business we are not easy customers to assess.

Service example: he contacted me to say they had a deal going and I could raise my LOC by $100k and get a another 0.1% off rack rate on all loans if I wanted. Special deal.

I said yes , why not but I have no time to fill in forms. Hate forms.

No worries, he said. Sign one application form and I will do it all, as being CBA customers he has our approval to access all our accounts. Within 1 week we got another $100K and the discount. No fees, No charges.

Before him, we tried our local CBA bank and got the typical loan officer all off 23 with no experience or IPS who after assessing our situation said: on these figures, you should not even have the loans you have, let alone more:eek:

FYI with no affiliation to CBA, Peter 14.7

CBA and Suncorp have the simplest of forms which makes everyone's life so much more easy. Macquarie Bank is way on the other side of that spectrum.
 
For those who have NAB loans, they announced they will cut rates Mon 12th Aug.

However, if you have a NAB Homeside loan, you'll be waiting un til Friday 16th.

How many folks here have NAB loans as opposed to their Homeside branded loans..?
 
Tell them that this is MI only policy - they cannot knock it back on Westpac policy. There must be another issue and this guy/girl is guessing as to the reason or there may be an underlying issue which he isn't noting.

Thanks. But it wasn't even like she had submitted it to creditors who then came back with this excuse. She said she typed the income into the computer program to tell him his borrowing power and the program came up with an alert saying that they can't lend to him because his income is more than 50% rents.
 
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