Royal Bank of Scotland issues global stock and credit alert

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"RBS issues global stock and credit crash alert
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
Last Updated: 2:50pm BST 18/06/2008

The Royal Bank of Scotland has advised clients to brace for a full-fledged crash in global stock and credit markets over the next three months as inflation paralyses the major central banks.

"A very nasty period is soon to be upon us - be prepared," said Bob Janjuah, the bank's credit strategist.

A report by the bank's research team warns that the S&P 500 index of Wall Street equities is likely to fall by more than 300 points to around 1050 by September as "all the chickens come home to roost" from the excesses of the global boom, with contagion spreading across Europe and emerging markets.


RBS warning: Be prepared for a 'nasty' period
Such a slide on world bourses would amount to one of the worst bear markets over the last century.

Fund managers react to RBS alert
RBS said the iTraxx index of high-grade corporate bonds could soar to 130/150 while the "Crossover" index of lower grade corporate bonds could reach 650/700 in a renewed bout of panic on the debt markets.

"I do not think I can be much blunter. If you have to be in credit, focus on quality, short durations, non-cyclical defensive names.

"Cash is the key safe haven. This is about not losing your money, and not losing your job," said Mr Janjuah, who became a City star after his grim warnings last year about the credit crisis proved all too accurate.

RBS expects Wall Street to rally a little further into early July before short-lived momentum from America's fiscal boost begins to fizzle out, and the delayed effects of the oil spike inflict their damage.

"Globalisation was always going to risk putting G7 bankers into a dangerous corner at some point. We have got to that point," he said.

US Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank both face a Hobson's choice as workers start to lose their jobs in earnest and lenders cut off credit.

The authorities cannot respond with easy money because oil and food costs continue to push headline inflation to levels that are unsettling the markets. "The ugly spoiler is that we may need to see much lower global growth in order to get lower inflation," he said.

Morgan Stanley warns of catastrophe

"The Fed is in panic mode. The massive credibility chasms down which the Fed and maybe even the ECB will plummet when they fail to hike rates in the face of higher inflation will combine to give us a big sell-off in risky assets," he said.

Kit Jukes, RBS's head of debt markets, said Europe would not be immune. "Economic weakness is spreading and the latest data on consumer demand and confidence are dire. The ECB is hell-bent on raising rates.

"The political fall-out could be substantial as finance ministers from the weaker economies rail at the ECB. Wider spreads between the German Bunds and peripheral markets seem assured," he said.

Ultimately, the bank expects the oil price spike to subside as the more powerful force of debt deflation takes hold next year."

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"RBS global crash alert: Quotes
Last Updated: 2:44pm BST 18/06/2008



The Royal Bank of Scotland has advised clients to brace for a full-fledged crash in global stock and credit markets over the next three months as inflation paralyses the major central banks.

Here are extracts from a Royal Bank of Scotland report, co-written by strategists Bob Janjuah, Kit Juckes, Tim Jagger and Richard Smith.

RBS issues global stock market alert
On the global economy:

Our macro economic road map is playing out - slow growth for longer, deep into 2009, with the pain spreading globally, gradually. People are beginning to wake up to the view that 2009 growth will be stagnant and weaker than 2008.

The twist however is inflation, and in particular how central bankers deal with this stubborn problem. The worry is that the ECB raises rates even as growth falters, leading to bigger cuts in 2009.

In the US, policy paralysis is possible, whatever the Fed jaw-boning. And in Asia, uncertainty reigns. All in all, a poor backdrop for risk assets and a sure fire recipe for higher volatility.

On stocks and credit:

For risk assets, that downward revision to growth forecasts was something we expected to be translated into lower earnings estimates and higher forecasts of corporate defaults.

We have repeatedly argued against getting bullish risk assets until this re-assessment has happened. The run-up in oil prices, and the policy response to that, adds a few twists.

Thereafter I expect markets to attempt to go a little better over the very end of June and into July, but this will, I think, be a pretty feeble rally both in terms of size (50/70 S&P points) and time (2 to 4 weeks).

What it will do however is set up what I think will be THE SIGNIFICANT opportunity this year to get short stocks and/or credit (credit will react to, and 'relatively' outperform stocks)."

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Morgan Stanley warns of 'catastrophic event' as ECB fights Federal Reserve
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
Last Updated: 1:29am BST 17/06/2008


The clash between the European Central Bank and the US Federal Reserve over monetary strategy is causing serious strains in the global financial system and could lead to a replay of Europe's exchange rate crisis in the 1990s, a team of bankers has warned.

"We see striking similarities between the transatlantic tensions that built up in the early 1990s and those that are accumulating again today. The outcome of the 1992 deadlock was a major currency crisis and a recession in Europe," said a report by Morgan Stanley's European experts.


Jean-Claude Trichet is taking a hard line on rates
Just as then, Washington has slashed rates to bail out the banks and prevent an economic hard-landing, while Frankfurt has stuck to its hawkish line - ignoring angry protests from politicians and squeals of pain from Europe's export industry.

Indeed, the ECB has let the de facto interest rate - Euribor - rise by over 100 basis points since the credit crisis began.

Just as then, the dollar has plummeted far enough to cause worldwide alarm. In August 1992 it fell to 1.35 against the Deutsche Mark: this time it has fallen even further to the equivalent of 1.25. It is potentially worse for Europe this time because the yen and yuan have also fallen to near record lows. So has sterling.

ECB in no mood to rescue us from debtadvertisementMorgan Stanley doubts that Europe's monetary union will break up under pressure, but it warns that corked pressures will have to find release one way or another.

This will most likely occur through property slumps and banking purges in the vulnerable countries of the Club Med region and the euro-satellite states of Eastern Europe.

"The tensions will not disappear into thin air. They will find fault lines on the periphery of Europe. Painful macro adjustments are likely to take place. Pegs to the euro could be questioned," said the report, written by Eric Chaney, Carlos Caceres, and Pasquale Diana.

The point of maximum stress could occur in coming months if the ECB carries out the threat this month by Jean-Claude Trichet to raise rates. It will be worse yet - for Europe - if the Fed backs away from expected tightening. "This could trigger another 'catastrophic' event," warned Morgan Stanley.

The markets have priced in two US rates rises later this year following a series of "hawkish" comments by Fed chief Ben Bernanke and other US officials, but this may have been a misjudgment.

An article in the Washington Post by veteran columnist Robert Novak suggested that Mr Bernanke is concerned that runaway oil costs will cause a slump in growth, viewing inflation as the lesser threat. He is irked by the ECB's talk of further monetary tightening at such a dangerous juncture.


Ben Bernanke is reported to be irked by the ECB's approach
The contrasting approaches in Washington and Frankfurt make some sense. America's flexible structure allows it to adjust quickly to shocks. Europe's more rigid system leaves it with "sticky" prices that take longer to fall back as growth slows.

Morgan Stanley says the current account deficits of Spain (10.5pc of GDP), Portugal (10.5pc), and Greece (14pc) would never have been able to reach such extreme levels before the launch of the euro.

EMU has shielded them from punishment by the markets, but this has allowed them to store up serious trouble. By contrast, Germany now has a huge surplus of 7.7pc of GDP.

The imbalances appear to be getting worse. The latest food and oil spike has pushed eurozone inflation to a record 3.7pc, with big variations by country. Spanish inflation is rising at 4.7pc even though the country is now in the grip of a full-blown property crash. It is still falling further behind Germany. The squeeze required to claw back lost competitiveness will be "politically unpalatable".

Morgan Stanley said the biggest risk lies in the arc of countries from the Baltics to the Black Sea where credit growth has been roaring at 40pc to 50pc a year. Current account deficits have reached 23pc of GDP in Latvia, and 22pc in Bulgaria. In Hungary and Romania, over 55pc of household debt is in euros or Swiss francs.

Swedish, Austrian, Greek and Italian banks have provided much of the funding for the credit booms. A crunch is looming in 2009 when a wave of maturities fall due. "Could the funding dry up? We think it could," said the bank.
 
Thanks for articles Ajax. We certainly are heading into interesting times. I'm currently in the process of pulling out of the stock market for a while and sitting on the sidelines. I am not a doomsdayer as such, and I own a couple of investment properties but I am noticing the rise in food prices which are directly affecting my family ie. budget for food may have to be increased if we don't start growing our own. Considering having the pathie converted to gas, making some small changes in preparation.;)
 
With all the predictions of what is going to happen, I have never kept a track of how accurate anyone really is. I have book marked in my diary for the end of September and will revisit this thread then.
 
scare tactics.

put all your cash in the bank so we can lend it out at 20x and charge 19% internationally.

what a crock.

When the credit crunch first hit (august 2007) I was considered a "Super Bear" among my peers because I though it might be mid-2008 before the world sorted itself out.

Today, I figure I was out by about 18 months and was madly optimistic :eek:
 
The credit crunch goes to the next phase

When the credit crunch first hit (august 2007) I was considered a "Super Bear" among my peers because I though it might be mid-2008 before the world sorted itself out.

Today, I figure I was out by about 18 months and was madly optimistic :eek:

If there is a run on the stock market like 1987 this time there will not be a delay in a collapse in the property market as occurred then. I have mentioned before if you have not set up your LOC's and placed them in another bank to draw on during the coming soft depression you will not be able to access funds in the coming two years.

Not a bad idea to have some gold bullion in a safety deposit box either as the Australian dollar in a financial firestorm will be seriously devalued.

Cash will be king but this will mean that your Australian dollar loans will be devalued as well :D and by hedging yourself with some gold bullion could be the difference between insolvency and being able to retain your assets over the ten year soft depression.
 
Preperation for economic slowdown

It would appear to me that the commentary regarding the economic slowdown appears to be getting worse with each passing week. I have noted that there are a few posts regarding the ability to keep on top of interest rates however I'm beginning to suspect that keeping a job may start being the challenge (if one is neg gearing). I might be a little bearish however I believe that the correction of excessive credit growth still has a little way to go.
 
Job losses are of course the next logical step and it has already begun in a small way.

As people tighten their spending this must flow on to businesses where profit falls and staff levels fall. Less staff required means job lossess or less new jobs created and this in turn means less money out there being spent. Economics 101 really.

I would not want my portfolio to be reliant on a full earning capacity in my family. I need it to weather me being out of the workforce, GoMichael working part-time and any gaps in employment. No point in wealth if I have to sell my soul, health and family to achieve it.
 
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hi all
keep a left eye on the prague post and have a read about the crown compared to the euro.
they are running on about a 20% value increase against the euro
and the euro has been going up.
they are now trying to trade in euro to bring down or devalue there currency as it is to hot and they have knocked back another 5 years to enter the euro.
they are on 5% interest rates but its not there currency thats the issue its demand.
the banks are trying to get people to borrow( the opposite to here) and because the pricing to cash is so out of wack that the only people buying are the seculators out of europe and what do they buy in yes euro and this in turn drives the crown higher.
its will go for me into hyper inflation but only locally hyper inflation or adopt the euro.
so what does this do to our ecomony.
very little at this stage
but it interesting to see that on one side we have correcting markets and on the other banks with no where to put the money.
just funny to see
 
Great article - i have just sent it on the rounds here at work.

Good comments as well. Nobody and I were talking a similar theme in another thread. Essentially the US Fed now holds about $150 billion minimum in secured subprime mortgages, not taking into account the actions over the last few days.

I believe all we have seen to date is what I call a cork-plug, they are trying to prop up the numbers without fixing the problems.

If you look at companies that have tried this instead of looking at industries/countries then you think of One.Tel, Enron, etc. Look what happened there, I can only see it unfolding in the same way except the govt wont get sued.

Will be interesting to watch it all unfold...
 
It would appear to me that the commentary regarding the economic slowdown appears to be getting worse with each passing week. I have noted that there are a few posts regarding the ability to keep on top of interest rates however I'm beginning to suspect that keeping a job may start being the challenge (if one is neg gearing). I might be a little bearish however I believe that the correction of excessive credit growth still has a little way to go.

Thanks for the articles. Top investors like Warren Buffett, George Soros predicted this is going to be long and painful, so even after this weekend, I don't think we've seen the worse. Surely Europe is next on the list of causalties so it would be silly to think that any country can be immune, however the term "lucky country" comes to my mind :) and my message to D&G-ers, investors with enough financial savvy will survive and do well in any type of market.
 
From Dan Denning at the Old Hat Factory:

--The Asian banks have finally been heard from. So far, all the woe and wailing from the credit crisis has come from Europe and North America. But there are some pretty big banks in Japan, too. And yesterday, three of them confessed that they owned a combined $45 billion in debt securities issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

--Mitsubishi UFJ, Mizuho Financial, and Sumitomo Mitsui Financial all fell by about five percent in Tokyo trading as investors digested the unwelcome news. Japan’s Nikkei newspaper reported that Mitsubishi has nearly US$31 billion in GSE bonds, while Mizuho has US$11.3 in exposure and Mitsui US$1.9 billion.

--Still no word from the Aussie banks...or the managed funds...or the hedge funds...or the pension plans...or the insurance companies...on whether or how much GSE debt they may own. Tick...tick...tick.
 
And from the same source, non agency debt from stats published the other day from FR puts Australia at about $US34 billion. How much of this is exposure to sub prime lending, no one knows. Watch the price of gold and oil!
 
With the Royal Bank of Scotland about to be nationalised - I thought I would bump this post.

I thought the warning was extraordinary and out of left field at the time. Now it appears that they somewhat underestimated what was coming.
 
If there is a run on the stock market like 1987 this time there will not be a delay in a collapse in the property market as occurred then. I have mentioned before if you have not set up your LOC's and placed them in another bank to draw on during the coming soft depression you will not be able to access funds in the coming two years.

Not a bad idea to have some gold bullion in a safety deposit box either as the Australian dollar in a financial firestorm will be seriously devalued.

Cash will be king but this will mean that your Australian dollar loans will be devalued as well :D and by hedging yourself with some gold bullion could be the difference between insolvency and being able to retain your assets over the ten year soft depression.

I posted this on the 22.06 2008 and.... (see next post)
 
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