Speed fine - anyone experienced it?

weg said:
Is it possible that they took awhile catching up with you because they were so far behind after you overtook them :eek::confused:

This is possible IF you were doing 102kph.

weg
(smartypants who's only lost 1 demerit point in 3 years ;))
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You make me laugh. They can do the same thing as they signaled me to stop after the intersection (the lights and siren). If they catch me at the time later, it simply saying they were speeding at 100km too, otherwise, they could not catch me when I "did" 30km more than them. It is a flat very wide and few traffic and easy to stop anyone - no danger at all.

Again, I wish those having some experience to answer my questions. From now I will not anser those posts not relevant to my questions. Please.
 
Pushka said:
Hmm, ok, lets say I saw through 3 Police Commissioners (one when I was in training) starting with Salisbury, then Laurie Draper, then David Hunt.
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Wow, so that means you were on the force when my fiancée's grandfather was Assistant Commissioner - Steve Tobin. Great man, I've been trying to learn more about him but information is sparse.
 
vbplease said:
How short is short? 200m? driving 40km/hr over the limit just saved you 5 seconds
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That is irrelevant. The point is that the speed limit is nothing like reasonable for the short stretch of road, and being near the end of a freeway, it's not a case of suddenly speeding up and then having to quickly slow down again, but rather already travelling at speed and then having to slow down unnecessarily early (which almost no one does that I've ever seen).

That the 17yr old girl driving down your street ... be expected to compute these complex and dynamic variables in her head?
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That's called judgement and experience. When you don't have much, you drive within the limits of what you do have (with appropriate training). However, those with greater experience shouldn't have to be encumbered with the same restrictions as beginners.

Why is it so hard to obey the road rules
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The topic being addressed is the relevance of speed limits to safe driving speed, not whether laws should be obeyed or not.

But personally, I'd much sooner share the road with experienced drivers than experienced law abiders.

GP
 
A friend of the family is a Magistrate. He takes great delight in telling of the cases where he has been able to tell the Police they were wrong or need to improve their game due to the evidence before him. These type of cases include:

- 3rd party accounts contradicting key points
- Inconsistencies in the location or time of the offence on the Police record
- Potential for equipment failure - cameras / calibration etc
- Inconsistencies with the law of physics eg took off from a red light and my car is incapable of reaching that speed in that distance
- As well as a driver who is very consistent and knowledgeable about the facts when the Police aren't

These examples form a very small percentage of the cases that appear before him, which is why he takes some delight in siding with the little guy when he can. By far the majority are the evidence of the Police against the "I don't think I was speeding" arguments of the defendants, where the outcome is obviously predictable and consistent.

If you don't know the speed you were doing, have no 3rd party account, overtook an unmarked police car who was presumably doing the speed limit and the Police record is very clear and consistent as to the location and time of the offence then you really don't seem to have a chance?

The fact that they pulled you over when it was safe to do so doesn't seem particularly relevant unless there is something I'm missing?

Good luck with it.
 
Leikela said:
Wouldn't the world be a great place if everyone disobeyed all the laws they thought were unreasonable.
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I didn't suggest they should be disobeyed, just that in this one particular instance (although there are untold others as well) it is unreasonable.

However, the world would be a great place (or at least a greater place) if the laws were all reasonable to start with.

GP
 
steveadl said:
Wow, so that means you were on the force when my fiancée's grandfather was Assistant Commissioner - Steve Tobin. Great man, I've been trying to learn more about him but information is sparse.
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Yup. I remember him. Hell Steve, do you realise how OLD that makes me sound. Fiancee's Grandfather. Sheesh. Was he head of Crime Command?
 
Pushka said:
Yup. I remember him. Hell Steve, do you realise how OLD that makes me sound. Fiancee's Grandfather. Sheesh. Was he head of Crime Command?
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I'm sure you were just a rookie cadet at the time. :)

I'm not sure, that's one of the things I've been trying to find out. I'm currently going through a couple of scrap books of his career my MIL has and I recall a mention of Assistant Comissioner Police Operations (? is that a position?). But over his career he worked in numerous areas including CIB, anti-larrikin squad in the 50's, seconded to help out the forces of WA, NSW & TAS, Queens Honours etc. Going through all the press clippings of him is incredibly interesting, hoping to find out more...
 
GreatPig said:
I didn't suggest they should be disobeyed, just that in this one particular instance (although there are untold others as well) it is unreasonable.

However, the world would be a great place (or at least a greater place) if the laws were all reasonable to start with.

GP
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i got told by one of my parents something which tung when I heardd it

others have told me they were right though and I think I believe them a bit now

Not fair ? The world's not fair ?!

laws aren't all written reasonably, what IS done flawlessly onthis gret earth of ours ? we aren't perfect but you expect us to write perfect rules.. come on...
 
jaycee said:
The world's not fair ?!
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Agree absolutely. That's why you have to learn to live with reality, which includes unreasonable laws and people who regularly break them.

Of course there's no law that says you can't complain about it either. ;)

but you expect us to write perfect rules
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Not at all. I didn't say I expected anything.

Humans are human, which means all decisions are ultimately influenced by personal agendas. What's good for M&M Enterprises is not really always good for the country.

GP
 
TheAnalyst said:
From so many posts, I only found 1 or 2 person had the experience. It is simply suggesting that not many people have the courage to take on the cops. There are so many corrupted cops there.
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It's not about courage. It's only about facts.

You have said that you have no idea what the speed limit was. And you have said that you have no idea how fast you were travelling.

I would suggest that you get a few facts in your favour before you even think about a challenge.

If you cannot be bothered to even investigate what the speed limit was then you have no grounds to challenge the fine.

As I've stated check the laws. If you're only over the limit by 2kph you have the possibilty for downgrading the fine.

But if you have no idea of the speed limit, or if your only grounds for a dispute that cops are "corrupt" then you've got a snowball's chance. Cop it and be careful.
 
weg said:
Is it possible that they took awhile catching up with you because they were so far behind after you overtook them :eek::confused:

This is possible IF you were doing 102kph.

weg
(smartypants who's only lost 1 demerit point in 3 years ;))
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I'm going to be a smarty pants now and suggest that you don't lose demerit points, you actually gain them!:D

Boods
 
steveadl said:
I'm sure you were just a rookie cadet at the time. :)

I'm not sure, that's one of the things I've been trying to find out. I'm currently going through a couple of scrap books of his career my MIL has and I recall a mention of Assistant Comissioner Police Operations (? is that a position?). But over his career he worked in numerous areas including CIB, anti-larrikin squad in the 50's, seconded to help out the forces of WA, NSW & TAS, Queens Honours etc. Going through all the press clippings of him is incredibly interesting, hoping to find out more...
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Yep, well, women have to come through as Adult recruits back in the old days. Hmm, there were three of us women and 18 men on the course, hundreds (well, seemed like it:eek:) of 17-18 year old cadets, and all male instructors except for two women. Ah.......:p

Operations was certainly a command but as you say, Police are required to work in all different types of areas; and they keep changing the jurisdictions anyway! There were some Police that you heard about that were, um, well, you heard about them but I can recall only good things about AC Tobin. My area was mainly in the Crime section (as specialist) so know the people in that area well.

Off Topic I know but sometimes you just have to bring back the humanity into Policing and not assume that the level of corruption being discussed here by some is not rampant.
 
GreatPig said:
That's called judgement and experience. When you don't have much, you drive within the limits of what you do have (with appropriate training). However, those with greater experience shouldn't have to be encumbered with the same restrictions as beginners.
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GP,
I'm trying to see it from your point of view but don't see how its possible to give "experienced" drivers the discretion to drive how they want??.. seeing as though practically everyone thinks they're experienced.. it's called illusory superiority and in my opinion, I think aussies are the worst.. i.e. at judging their ability, and their aggressive driving habits..
 
Pushka said:
Yep, well, women have to come through as Adult recruits back in the old days. Hmm, there were three of us women and 18 men on the course, hundreds (well, seemed like it:eek:) of 17-18 year old cadets, and all male instructors except for two women. Ah.......:p

Operations was certainly a command but as you say, Police are required to work in all different types of areas; and they keep changing the jurisdictions anyway! There were some Police that you heard about that were, um, well, you heard about them but I can recall only good things about AC Tobin. My area was mainly in the Crime section (as specialist) so know the people in that area well.

Off Topic I know but sometimes you just have to bring back the humanity into Policing and not assume that the level of corruption being discussed here by some is not rampant.
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Very interesting Pushka, thanks. :)

My mates going through Largs at the moment. From memory I think the ratio in his class is something like 5 out of the 25 are women. Lots of English bobbies still going through fast track training as well.
 
Pushka said:
There were some Police that you heard about that were, um, well, you heard about them but I can recall only good things about AC Tobin.
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Just mentioned your comment above to my fiancée and she knows what you mean. She said it's why he never wanted any of his kids or grandkids to join the force.
 
geoffw said:
It's not about courage. It's only about facts.

You have said that you have no idea what the speed limit was. And you have said that you have no idea how fast you were travelling.

I would suggest that you get a few facts in your favour before you even think about a challenge.

If you cannot be bothered to even investigate what the speed limit was then you have no grounds to challenge the fine.

As I've stated check the laws. If you're only over the limit by 2kph you have the possibilty for downgrading the fine.

But if you have no idea of the speed limit, or if your only grounds for a dispute that cops are "corrupt" then you've got a snowball's chance. Cop it and be careful.
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Thanks. I have said I knew the speed limit 70km. If they told me I was 80km or something. I would be happy to accept. But they told 102km which made me want to challenge. All I want to know, how much is the court cost if you can advise thanks.
 
TheAnalyst said:
$300 for a legal advice. I asked those experienced that and did not ask who have not experienced that
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One day, you may come to the realisation that in the 3 days that this post has been going, you could have got on the phone and made an appointment for a "free" consultation.

FREE!

Instead you have wasted time and energy getting heated and upset that people won't tell you what you need to hear!

One more time......SEEK.FREE.LEGAL.ADVICE

Cheers

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