200,000 jobs to go as businesses hit wall

Who would have thought...:)

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/200000-jobs-to-go/2008/10/18/1223750399529.html

200,000 jobs to go as businesses hit wall
Mathew Benns
October 19, 2008

AT LEAST 200,000 more Australians will be out of work by the end of next year as the effect of the world financial meltdown takes hold, economic experts have predicted.

There are also fears the uncertainty over jobs could lead to a quiet Christmas in the retail sector, with Australians cutting back on spending and seeking bargains on the internet.

"There will be less presents under the tree this year," said National Australia Bank chief economist Alan Oster. "I would expect October into December to be lousy but there is a lift because the Government [will drop] helicopter loads of money over people in December.

"Despite this I think Christmas is going to be a lot slower and weaker and then it will continue getting weaker into next year."

NAB economists predict growth will drop to just 1.25 per cent by the middle of next year with an interest rate cut to 4.5 per cent and unemployment at about 6 per cent by the end of the year, meaning 200,000 more people will be out of work.

But NSW Business Chamber spokesman Nigel Blunden said: "The people of NSW are remarkably resilient, particularly at that time of year."

The chamber represents 30,000 businesses across the state. "A lot of those are feeling the effects of the downturn but we are hoping the interest rate cut and Federal Government payments will inject confidence into consumers."

Mr Blunden said businesses were hoping people would choose to spend the extra cash rather than save it. "Retail spending over the four to six weeks leading up to Christmas is very important to our members."

Many Christmas bargain hunters are expected to turn to the internet as they try to save money. A spokesman for eBay, Daniel Feiler, said: "It is hard to predict what will happen in this economic climate. People will still be buying presents for Christmas and will be looking to make their dollar go further.

"Our research shows e-commerce is 25 per cent cheaper than retail because the sellers can pass on the savings from things like rent and electricity to the buyers."

But eBay itself has not been immune to the economic fallout, announcing 1000 job cuts around the world including 18 in Australia.

Professor Guay Lim, from the Melbourne Institute for Applied Economic and Social Research, said problems would arise if people decided to save rather than spend. "Job uncertainty means that people will be concerned over Christmas. Our indicators show that people are starting to save, which is not something we have seen in a long time.

"The Government wants us to keep spending on essentials but not on luxury imported goods. People need to maintain a level of spending and buying Christmas presents. We cannot save excessively because the economy will go into a tailspin."

Professor Lim said Australia was protected from the worst of the fallout by the Government's stimulus package, interest rate cuts and a boost in exports caused by the fall in the value of the Australian dollar.

"We expect slow growth and an increase in unemployment. We think unemployment will go up a notch to 4.8 per cent or 5 per cent by the middle of next year."

CommSec economist Craig James was optimistic about the future. "In Australia, things are not so bad. Unemployment will creep up but it's rising from the lowest level we have seen for a generation. Our economy is in the strongest shape to weather a storm, which is something we have not been able to say in the past."
 
hello,

gee there was three less people in the bakery today, who would of thought

i hope the sun comes up tomorrow

thanks
myla
 
That sounds quite reasonable...i certainly hope 200,000 job loss or 6% is a worst case scenario!:eek:

Any more and it would be quite catastrophic....the only good sign is that unemployment has only gone up from 4.1% to 4.3% in about 3 month to Sept. 2008.

The acid test will be the January 2009 numbers for the Oct thru Dec. 2008., if this goes up to 5% plus...we are in for a rude shock.

Employment is a lagging indicator in economic speak......thus why I am also holding off property acquistions till Jan. 2009. These numbers will also affect the confidence level of people......if people are not sure of finding and keeping their jobs.....the last thing they will be buying is a house!;)

Cheers
Sash
 
hello,

i hope the sun comes up tomorrow

thanks
myla

Myla,

the guy (HGrant) is on here to solely spread the doom message. Check all his posts and you will discover they are all empty and negative. Seem to be a few similar dudes cropping up at the moment.

Some people must have boring lives.
 
The company I work for is doing an across the board 8% reduction in numbers... also looking at trying to sell some inductrial land they hold to get some cash.....

Cheers,

The Y-man
 
Myla,

the guy (HGrant) is on here to solely spread the doom message. Check all his posts and you will discover they are all empty and negative. Seem to be a few similar dudes cropping up at the moment.

Some people must have boring lives.

so the goal is to read only those things that make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?

that is what the CEO of merrill lynch did. fired everyone who pointed out the dangers lying ahead. worked out for him--but he had a golden parachute lined up well in advance, i'm sure. what color is your parachute?
 
my immediate vision was rumpled elf having a water tank under the christmas tree with the name of her baby on it! :D

what will be - will be ...
 
so the goal is to read only those things that make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?

that is what the CEO of merrill lynch did. fired everyone who pointed out the dangers lying ahead. worked out for him--but he had a golden parachute lined up well in advance, i'm sure. what color is your parachute?

Urch,

OK. Give me a serving. I deserve it after having a stab at you the other night. :D

I actually enjoy reading gloomers arguments that have some content like yours. But this guy just spits out mainly gloom articles and cynical comment. You have a look.
Anyway, I need you guys to level me out a bit. We are all learning from this and are only expressing opinion based on our own limited experience and measure of reality/unreality.
I am happy to admit that I could be wrong in my assessment of the unfolding events - and yes - maybe I was a bit harsh on the guy.

Keep up the healthy debate mate, :)
 
6% unemployment is actually more of an average than what we have now.

4.0% "unemployment" is actually more like 100% employment. there will ALWAYS be a small recentage of the population that are forever unlikely to gain employment - mentally handicapped, severely physically handicapped, people who just flat out refuse to work....oh, and those evil single young mums....
 
6% unemployment is actually more of an average than what we have now.

4.0% "unemployment" is actually more like 100% employment. there will ALWAYS be a small recentage of the population that are forever unlikely to gain employment - mentally handicapped, severely physically handicapped, people who just flat out refuse to work....oh, and those evil single young mums....

If Aus calculates the figures like the US does, only people who are actively seeking employment are included in unemployment figures. Thus people who are not working but not seeking to work (i.e., some of the kinds of people you listed above) are not reflected in unemployment rates. Thus, especially when talking about america, you have to take the official rates with a grain (bowlful) of salt. Anyone, for example, who has been out of work for so long they have given up on ever finding work is no longer considered to be "unemployed"--they are left out of the equation completely.

So the number of people "not working" is going to be much, much higher than the number of people who are "unemployed."
 
ah interesting - i was told (and have been working on the premise) that the figures were total population based.

explains whole suburbs of dole bludgers then!
 
6% unemployment is actually more of an average than what we have now.

4.0% "unemployment" is actually more like 100% employment. there will ALWAYS be a small recentage of the population that are forever unlikely to gain employment - mentally handicapped, severely physically handicapped, people who just flat out refuse to work....oh, and those evil single young mums....

Come one....I'm one of those evil young single mums.......:p
 
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