There's a difference between going hard on the issues and hard on the man (or woman)
If the worm is right....Howard is on life support...
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There's a difference between going hard on the issues and hard on the man (or woman)
On the worm - I found it distracting. Watch some of it with my wife, and spent more time talking about the worm than the actual debate.
Body language - Was watching Alan Pease (the body language expert someone was referring to earlier I believe) this morning as well, and he said that in the first televised debate in the US, 80% of those who watched on TV thought that Kennedy won it, and 80% of those who listened on the radio thought that Nixon won it.
On Nuclear Power - Apart from 'risks' Nuclear power solves pretty much all of the problems the greenies are worried about ie no emissions.
On Broadband - Why does everyone think that Rudd has the best broadband plan? He is going to steal $5b from the Future Fund to pay for it. Howard, on the other hand is going to get private industry to pay for it, saving us tax payers all that money. That's the difference between the two parties. Libs can work out how to make things happen creatively, while Labor just use tax funds, because they havent got the smarts to work out how to do it in any better.
Body language - Was watching Alan Pease (the body language expert someone was referring to earlier I believe) this morning as well, and he said that in the first televised debate in the US, 80% of those who watched on TV thought that Kennedy won it, and 80% of those who listened on the radio thought that Nixon won it.
On Nuclear Power - Apart from 'risks' Nuclear power solves pretty much all of the problems the greenies are worried about ie no emissions.
On Broadband - Why does everyone think that Rudd has the best broadband plan? He is going to steal $5b from the Future Fund to pay for it. Howard, on the other hand is going to get private industry to pay for it, saving us tax payers all that money. That's the difference between the two parties. Libs can work out how to make things happen creatively, while Labor just use tax funds, because they havent got the smarts to work out how to do it in any better.
Whoever funds the program, the first issue that needs to be addressed is the policy framework and specifically the competition framework for all industry particpants, where Telstra have been bleating ever since Sol has joined them. This is the most important practical issue before anything else happens.
It interesting to note, that Telstra, (culturally still works as a monopoly) have been sympathetic to ALP's broadband plans. Reminds me of the big business and big unions policies that dominated the 1980's.....
Sorry, i thought people have the right to decide who they respect.
For what its worth, Howard is a tired old joke. Cunning as a sewer rat to boot. Its taken about 11 years for the electorate to see through him. His (and his inhumane policies and his bunch of smirking right wing clowns) days are numbered.
For what its worth, Howard is a tired old joke. Cunning as a sewer rat to boot. Its taken about 11 years for the electorate to see through him. His (and his inhumane policies and his bunch of smirking right wing clowns) days are numbered.
Those weak kneed idiot liberals are going to lose because they have pandered to Howard's hubris. It is quite obvious that he has so much baggage, from his many failed promises that people have finally seen through him. I felt 3 years ago, when they got control of the Senate that this would be their downfall.
I actually thought also he was going to stroke out and we'd get Costello straight away. I think Costello must have been hoping this also - did you see that ridiculous cheesy grin at the totally wrong time when they flashed to him!
BTW I voted for him last time - this time not so sure!!
I actually thought also he was going to stroke out and we'd get Costello straight away. I think Costello must have been hoping this also - did you see that ridiculous cheesy grin at the totally wrong time when they flashed to him!
BTW I voted for him last time - this time not so sure!!
Yeah I agree Sunfish.. That was a nutty comment Dazzling.. Respect is earned, not instilled by demand.
Where do you think private industry gets the money. Do they have printing machines in the back room printing notes?
They get it from you and me mate. Theres no such thing as a free lunch and the people will pay more whether the government takes it or business raises their prices (with the consent of government) to pay for it.
The money has to come from somewhere.
They get it from you and me mate. Theres no such thing as a free lunch and the people will pay more whether the government takes it or business raises their prices (with the consent of government) to pay for it.
The money has to come from somewhere.
It seems to me that a lot of people are focusing too much on the past. Howard has implemented policies that have been less than desirable and on occasions have not done has he promised. But I ask, what leader of this country has not done similar and how can you expect that Rudd will be any different in these regards? It is easy to pass Judgement on Howard because he has been in top seat making the hard decisions. Rudd has not.
Personally, since I can not compare past performances, I can only judge by the policies they intend to implement.
I thought the snapshot of young voters on "Insight, My Vote" was interesting.
click on blue video on line icon
http://www.sbs.com.au/insight/
It seemed that the majority were only interested in a leader who has improved the economy to date and others would make it up as they walked into the booth.
Dave
click on blue video on line icon
http://www.sbs.com.au/insight/
It seemed that the majority were only interested in a leader who has improved the economy to date and others would make it up as they walked into the booth.
Dave
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Everyone and everything is judged on past performance. At least mostly. What else do we have to go on? Promises i guess.
But are they 'core' or 'non core' promises?
As far as being in the top seat making the hard decisions. I wouldnt be so sure. He has 'advisors'. So that when he stuffs up (read lies) he can blame it on bad advice. Iraq, Children overboard etc etc....
I have never seen a pm do that to the extent JH does.
Theres an old saying. Privatise your gains and socialise your losses. And little Johnny is a master at it. Cynical and smirking.
But are they 'core' or 'non core' promises?
As far as being in the top seat making the hard decisions. I wouldnt be so sure. He has 'advisors'. So that when he stuffs up (read lies) he can blame it on bad advice. Iraq, Children overboard etc etc....
I have never seen a pm do that to the extent JH does.
Theres an old saying. Privatise your gains and socialise your losses. And little Johnny is a master at it. Cynical and smirking.
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Yes but we have the most sunshine as well but are not willing to use that either. Further research must be done on all energy types including solar and nuclear and IMO governments on both sides of the fence have been very lax in this regard.
Surely if every building had solar panels all over their rooves there would be more than enough energy to make burning coal or other forms of energy redundant except as a backup through rainy periods.
And years from now, retired coalition supporters will find their place in cushy jobs in private sector companies who win this sort of tender. And no, that's not coalition specific, it happens on both sides ...
What was the meaning of the Future Fund if not to pay for something like this? evand is correct. If funded by private sector, it will be user pays, and that user is us ... may as well put our tax dollars towards it.
DJ
Exactly right.....apparently 11 + years in the job, working his ar4e off for the country deserves no respect. Apparently it counts for nothing ??
As opposed to some wet behind the ears frontman for the Unions who has never done anything...not a jot, but can t.a.l.k. slowly and with measure, and can raise his hand five times and can list things off whilst peeling off his fingers deserves the utmost respect ?? Yeah right.
To use a cricketing analogy, one's knocked up a few centuries and led the team well after starting with a disaster, while the other has never played the game yet and is just starting to pad up. Apparently the bunny padding up is better than the man out there still racking up runs for the country, cos he gives a better media interview.
If image, body language and all that other media-driven flumpf impress people more than keeping the country strong, then so be it...modern democracy at work apparently.
I reckon if I have opposing views to you, I'm satisfied that I'm on the right track.
This is not as simple as you think. For starters not all areas have enough sunlight to justify a solar panel. For example you could live in an area with lots of trees that shade your house or on the southern side of a mountain.
Solar panels also produce carbon emission when being created. So one has to be certain that it's use will actually make a different otherwise you could be making the problem worse. Since an average solar cell only converts 8% of the sun's energy, many applications would be making the carbon emission problem worse.
Both wife and I thought Johnnie had won.
Wife (who is apolitical) said "Rudd read from a script almost all the time" He did not inspire her. I also expected Rudd to show vision and leadership but instead I saw a overly captious pollie trying to say or do nothing to offend.
But off my views, consider this. I flicked TV to Sunrise this morning and guess what? Their 8:30am News phone poll was in around 8000 persons and 55% were with Howard?!?!
And on the worm, I am sorry to trash this thread, but it is a gimmick.
One of the comedy shows did a skit on it year back where they simply said nice things like" vision, action, lower rates" and the worm went up.
According to Sunrise, last time it gave almost the same percentage win to Latham and look what happened there. It is still a close race.
As I see it:
The Libs were dead in the water prior to the launch and they are back in it. It is Labour’s to lose and they know it hence the Me Too and No comment.
I think the thing to consider for us, true swinging voters is this:
When I go the box do I go with experience or new leadership? I like Rudds policies but I don’t know if I believe him (or any pollie). I don’t believe JH but I know what he has achieved. I may think Workchoices is unfair but an employer I am scared re Union Choices.
Peter
Wife (who is apolitical) said "Rudd read from a script almost all the time" He did not inspire her. I also expected Rudd to show vision and leadership but instead I saw a overly captious pollie trying to say or do nothing to offend.
But off my views, consider this. I flicked TV to Sunrise this morning and guess what? Their 8:30am News phone poll was in around 8000 persons and 55% were with Howard?!?!
And on the worm, I am sorry to trash this thread, but it is a gimmick.
One of the comedy shows did a skit on it year back where they simply said nice things like" vision, action, lower rates" and the worm went up.
According to Sunrise, last time it gave almost the same percentage win to Latham and look what happened there. It is still a close race.
As I see it:
The Libs were dead in the water prior to the launch and they are back in it. It is Labour’s to lose and they know it hence the Me Too and No comment.
I think the thing to consider for us, true swinging voters is this:
When I go the box do I go with experience or new leadership? I like Rudds policies but I don’t know if I believe him (or any pollie). I don’t believe JH but I know what he has achieved. I may think Workchoices is unfair but an employer I am scared re Union Choices.
Peter
I made comment earlier about the "standing labour member being dumped for a union labour candidate" issue in Corio (Geelong VIC) and noted that this was probably confusing to those outside of my area of VIC So here is link to the issue.
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2007/10/19/7995_news.html
Essntially a standing member, and local ex farmer, that was one of the few Labour members to hold against Howard for the last 14 years has just been dumped for a fresh union official. Thier are claims of branch stacking and Rudd is quoted as saying to the ex member " I am sorry but the union is calling the shots". In revenge the ex Member is standing as an independant and has a good chance. If fact is the parliment was hung he could be the balance of power!!!
But aside from that this type of "deal" is what seriously worries me about the Labour Party being in charge and accross the states as well.
To me this smells of "now they look like getting power, Labour Unions want thier people in and bugger the local guy who has done the job for 14 years."
Why this peeves and concerns me is this.
When a proven and obviously effective ( he been in 14 years) local member with a non-union background is dumped for new guy because he has union mates it says to me the Labour Party cares more about :
And that whooisgoing to form 70% of the front bench. Ministers with expertise in backroom deals, political networks and looking after thier mates.
Please MR Rudd give us some real candidates.
Peter 14.7
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2007/10/19/7995_news.html
Essntially a standing member, and local ex farmer, that was one of the few Labour members to hold against Howard for the last 14 years has just been dumped for a fresh union official. Thier are claims of branch stacking and Rudd is quoted as saying to the ex member " I am sorry but the union is calling the shots". In revenge the ex Member is standing as an independant and has a good chance. If fact is the parliment was hung he could be the balance of power!!!
But aside from that this type of "deal" is what seriously worries me about the Labour Party being in charge and accross the states as well.
To me this smells of "now they look like getting power, Labour Unions want thier people in and bugger the local guy who has done the job for 14 years."
Why this peeves and concerns me is this.
When a proven and obviously effective ( he been in 14 years) local member with a non-union background is dumped for new guy because he has union mates it says to me the Labour Party cares more about :
- power that experience,
- union than locals,
- mates than loyalty,
And that whooisgoing to form 70% of the front bench. Ministers with expertise in backroom deals, political networks and looking after thier mates.
Please MR Rudd give us some real candidates.
Peter 14.7
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