If Australia were getting bombed continuously by an enemy who did not believe that Australians even had a right to a homeland (ie Australia), would we sit by and do nothing? I don't think so.
What in the hell are we doing in Iraq ?
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I wouldn't be surprised if Hamas are doing it deliberately to keep tensions in the Middle East high. Lob bombs into Israel from schools and hospitals, knowing Israel will fire back, but with weapons 10 times more powerful and accurate. Of course there are terrible casualties to Palestinians, and so Hamas has achieved what they wanted. More hatred of Israel.
See ya's.
They are doing it deliberately.
And then cry out that Israel is bombing innocent victims.
Perfect cover for deception and agenda to be driven.
These people need to be stopped.
Anyone claiming John Howard and Bush to be the terrorists are delusional.
I can't believe the level of stupidity being displayed in defending those who hold innocent captives, and film them being decapitated and sending the video to the western world.
We should storm Iraq, Syria or anywhere this enemy of decent humanity is operating and wipe it clean.
And then cry out that Israel is bombing innocent victims.
Perfect cover for deception and agenda to be driven.
These people need to be stopped.
Anyone claiming John Howard and Bush to be the terrorists are delusional.
I can't believe the level of stupidity being displayed in defending those who hold innocent captives, and film them being decapitated and sending the video to the western world.
We should storm Iraq, Syria or anywhere this enemy of decent humanity is operating and wipe it clean.
Ah ok so that's it? Wow quick someone call the world leaders, there was a completely simplistic solution to a highly complex issue hiding under our noses the whole time
Firstly I haven't seen a single person defend isis. They are scum and certainly something needs to be done about them
Re bush, terrorist is a harsh word but ultimately it is estimated about a million iraqi civilians have died since the us insurgency started. To put that into perspective that is like a port arthur massacre occurring every day for 60 years or so
Think about it. The equivalent of about a port arthur massacre every day for 60 years is the number of innocent people who have died ad a result of the us led wars.
This whole thread is hard to answer, but do you really think the 'world' was incorrect in going to war with Hitler????
Many of the reasons, only became clear in later years.
Sadly in many future conflicts it wasn't so clear cut, eg Korea War, Vietnam war.
I am no expert in these matters, but surely we cant condone in anyform the cutting off of peoples heads because their belief is different to ours.
Nor can we allow democracy to permit talk in itself.
The purist view is that democracy will shine the light on 'wrongness'.
There was an interesting Episode in Foyles war about this issue.
IV normal view point is just how can I profit from it (mainly because I get a personal sense of satisfaction from making profit, because I cannot personally influence affairs, so at least I can profit from it).
But in this case I cant.
I have to hope that my 'betters' in government know better than I do.
I guess because of this I support the government.
Do we want this in our back yard?
Its very interesting that for the first time in many years, many of the middle east community are asking for support. What do they know that we don't?
Why is it that most of the time they keep silent and let their 'puppet' the USA do the talking for them.
Even Turkey is asking for co-operation.
I deal a lot with Asians, I understand their mindset.
Middle east is a whole different mindset
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Honestly I respect many of your posts.
But in this case you are so totally wrong.
History has proved this time and time again (in regards to WWII). Future conflicts have been so much more uncertain.
I cannot give a clear comment on future comments, only on the correctness of WWII.
The sad truth is that USA has evolved over the last century. Notice its hesitancy in WW1 (which I question), WW2 (which they should have joined sooner). Subsequent conflicts (which I question).
Now USA is almost the arbiter, and yet its question of judgement has increased massively since WWII
Honestly I respect many of your posts.
But in this case you are so totally wrong.
History has proved this time and time again (in regards to WWII). Future conflicts have been so much more uncertain.
I cannot give a clear comment on future comments, only on the correctness of WWII.
The sad truth is that USA has evolved over the last century. Notice its hesitancy in WW1 (which I question), WW2 (which they should have joined sooner). Subsequent conflicts (which I question).
Now USA is almost the arbiter, and yet its question of judgement has increased massively since WWII
Yes its very interesting how Nations evolve. Not too different to the British empire. But the American 'empire' was unique. There was no tribute back to the home country.
Still with this particular post, I totally agree.
We didn't understand the local politics of the region. We grandstanded, we looked at it from a totally Western democracy point of view. We failed to take into account the regions history.
And most importantly we stuffed up.
mate don't go down this path.
We don't understand, because we are not Jewish.
I am not Jewish, yet I totally support Israel.
Only a Jewish person could totally understand. I can only imagine.
There's no evidence of people strapping children to their chest so Israel won't shoot. Hamas is also not killing children of Palestine, its Israels bombs (40% of bombing victims in the Gaza Strip are kids).
Hamas is actually democratically elected - they are just as legitimate as any other government is.
Bush, Howard and co's heroic invasion of the middle east has caused millions of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan to die. Their negligence caused that outcome and millions if not BILLIONS of people in the world would agree with me.
I sure you would disagree with me on that one because you probably thought Saddam Hussein had little nukes didn't you?
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The Saudi's are one of the west' key allies. They have supported America during Iraq and Afghanistan [logistics, use of land to launch air strikes etc...]. Most of it is back door stuff and not publically available, but believe me that region would be in much more strife if it weren't for them.
I was watching Lateline tonight and Wassim Doureihi, the spokesman for the Australian chapter of Hizb ut-Tahrir (which seeks to implement an Islamic caliphate and sharia law). He was asked repeatedly whether he supports the actions of ISIS and each time refused to answer the question, instead referring to Western occupation of Islamic lands as justification.
He also refused, when asked, to publicly ask young Muslim men to stop going abroad to join ISIS.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm
I'm not sure which part you're actually disagreeing with?
All i'm saying is that in WW1 we went over there to help, and now we're going over there to help again.
just there is a big difference between WW2 and all the other conflicts (including WW1).
The internet in your words, hopefully will forever prevent a WW1 situation, but it shouldn't prevent a WWII (because the consequences could have been worse).
As to Korean, Vietnam, and probably the middle east, we shouldnt have been there in the first place.
Hamas has a mandate of government, elected by the people of Palestine to be true to their covenant of eschewing negotiation with Israel and to obliterate Israel. There is a theory in SS that the Palestinians did not actually vote for war but Hamas won them over with clever electioneering. However, IMO Hamas seems deliberate enough over a long time with their infrastructure of tunneling to carry out subversive incursions into Israel and overt rocket attacks to further their goals. There is an online copy of the Hamas Covenant in the Yale University Library.
It seems that a complex brew of race, religion and culture has mired the people in the Middle East to a state of constant hostility, martyrdom, while the rest of the world opine whether they have contributed to their sorry state - damned to be involved and damned to abstain.
Larry Miller on Israel and the Palestinians conflict
Larry is apparently no stranger to controversy, see here
Whosoever Blesses Them
Maybe get some bang for buck then and drop it somewhere where it counts, like an IDF air force base.
