qazwsx's query to Peter Spann.

[Peter Spann]

Ha Ha

so after the shares book is it "how to woo 100 beautiful friends in 10 years"

OK, I will admit it WAS easier when I was 30 kg lighter but yeah, I could do that (IF I wanted to).

 

[Peter Spann]

Surprise Surprise

Top book by the way, should finish reading it this weekend. I haven't notice anyone comment on this yet but there is a certain similarity between 10 million in 10 years (Spann) and 1 million in 1 year (McKnight). I would take the 1 million in 1 year due to compounding and CPI factors

Well, I must say I was VERY surprised when I saw the title of his book a couple of weeks ago and even more surprised that he kept it when my book was published first.

Oh well, I hope it will have a positive effect on both.

 

[always_learning]

I seems to me that men (males) generally make themselves available to a large number of suitable females and that in reality the females do the choosing.

As per the "worth your while" lady waiting for a date in Peters Ferrari it would appear that Peter didnt do the choosing, he was in fact choosen.

BTW It does show the difference between men and women, imagine the opposite, a lady comes back to her car from the casino after been watched by a man, and there in her car he is the same man, and says "I'm your date, I'll make it worth your while", 99% chance she would could the police!

 

[Ms Jade]

What's controversial?

Good to see at least one woman "buying in" to the conversation.

Come on girls – I KNEW the post would be controversial before I wrote it and I DID say I was a hypocrite. Thought this might actually be a fun topic to debate.

Now I know most of your post was in jest (and quite funny too), but I wanted to maintain the controversy by being rude enough to point out something I think is important. Said with a friendly tone and smile - I think you reveal your own biases and prejudices against "beautiful" women. You have stereotyped them in a particular manner common only to other women.

Ummm, nothing to debate, Peter. Kudos to you for being honest enough to say that you only go out with women you find very attractive. Well, shock horror! It seems you are hardly allowed to admit this any more. As I woman I admit that I go out with men that I find very attractive (Oops! I mean DID go out, before I married my - admittedly good looking - husband). Now, I may not have a 100% "normal" version of what I find attractive in a man, mind you..

I wish I didn't agree with your comments re: "woman's inhumanity to woman." Alas, this is true. leapyeah, you may have intended your post to be a "light-hearted" jibe at Peter, but it seems to me that you instead revealed an awful lot about yourself.

 

[see_change]

leapyeah, you may have intended your post to be a "light-hearted" jibe at Peter, but it seems to me that you instead revealed an awful lot about yourself.

I must admitt I was puzzled about this comment Ms Jade.

Exactly what does it reveal about Leapyeah ?

That's she's an very attractive woman with a sense of humour ??!

Maybe you've read things into it that arn't there.

Maybe your reply reveals something about you ( as all our replies do ... including mine ) but at this stage I think that's irrelevant .... Sometimes people will read a post from a completly different view point to what it was written. Maybe that occured here.


Gee .... did this post get off Topic

See Change

 

[leapyeah]

hey hey - no "inhumanity" intended!

May I be so bold as to suggest I replied to this post as someone who considers myself to be beautiful in my own right - and express the claustrophobia I feel at the notion that some men would unabashedly require me to maintain a high standard of physical appearance in order to be "good enough" for them. It is my right to feel chagrin about this - as it is your right to only date those you consider beautiful enough.

I have lived inside this body that has been Paris Hilton thin (it hurt to sit on hard surfaces), that has found commercial advantage in meeting a cultural beauty imperative (one work contract bound me to no unapproved change of hairstyle) and that has subscribed at times to the beauty mill (and yep my trusty tube of Mac concealer is still in favour) - so I write my tongue-in-cheek challenge all from personal firsthand experiences rather than prejudice.

I do on occasion ponder the investment value for women of expenditure on looking good.

My thoughts on your other notions, Peter: For me, I feel the time and energy expended to analyze and decimate the appearance of another woman only serves to make me a lesser person. The Paris Hilton comment was made entirely in the name of comedy - and based on my personal experience of being very thin. Forgive me!
With regard to beauty being linked to youth being a female-promoted fallacy, I think it is more a media-promoted fantasy designed to fuel the market to sell products to women who feel the need to meet a cultural imperative.
I believe women of any age can be beautiful - it is their personal life balance, and love and respect for self and others that makes them so.

Pax,
Ellie

 

[geoffw]

Geoff,

You say "There may though be more attractive ways of disagreeing though."

That IS tongue in cheek, right? Or do I not only have to look as attractive as possible - I also have to disagree as attractively as possible???

My apologies Leapyeah

I missed the humour, and saw sarcasm. I'm sorry I read you incorrectly.

 

[Ms Jade]

I must admitt I was puzzled about this comment Ms Jade.

Exactly what does it reveal about Leapyeah ?

That's she's an very attractive woman with a sense of humour ??!

Maybe you've read things into it that arn't there.

Maybe your reply reveals something about you ( as all our replies do ... including mine ) but at this stage I think that's irrelevant .... Sometimes people will read a post from a completly different view point to what it was written. Maybe that occured here.


Gee .... did this post get off Topic
See Change

Yeah, See Change, of course I read everything through my own biases. It seemed to me that leapyeah was taking some issue with Peter's comment about preferring very attractive women (Of course, that's her prerogative!). Perhaps I was just surprised that it drew comment (my own bias). I doubt too many jokes would be made if he said he preferred obese women, or had some other such attraction.

 

[Corsa]

Good to see at least one woman "buying in" to the conversation.

Come on girls – I KNEW the post would be controversial before I wrote it and I DID say I was a hypocrite. Thought this might actually be a fun topic to debate.

Said with a friendly tone and smile - I think you (Leaphyeah) reveal your own biases and prejudices against "beautiful" women. You have stereotyped them in a particular manner common only to other women.

In my post I mentioned that it is men who would regard my partners as attractive to stunning and, while I said that women are fair to men I also said they are impossible on themselves and other women....

And remember, I have rarely met a guy who cuts a woman down to the sum of her parts like most women do. Men see the whole package as gorgeous (pimples and all) – whereas women often say, “Oh, look at her arse or look at her legs or can you believe those thighs?” And my males friends are going – either “Huh, what ARE you on about – she’s a spunk” or “ YEAH, just look at her arse – drool !!!” .

Hi All

Well its Friday afternoon, half hour till the weekend officially starts, what the heck, I will buy-in...Hats off to Peter who has been honest enough to come out and express his view on this VERY touchy subject.

Also to Leapyeah and Ms Jade for expressing there views.

Peter has basically defined that the women he is interested in spending time with are beautiful inside and out, who are independant and interested in success both in there own right and possibly with there future partner, that's fantastic. That would be compared to the some guys who just wont a trophy or barbie that looks good.

I also note from Peter's summary a point of view that "women cut each other down"...probably true in some cases but not everyone does that or gets involved with that, we have choices to rise above that kind of behaviour, just some women are not as good at doing that than others.

Peters point about how (using his words and societies ruler) he is not the most good looking guy but yet he goes out with women who, in societies eyes are beautiful. I actually think that women are more prepared to go out with a guy that is "less good looking" then the number of good looking men who would be prepared to go out with less attractive women.

I "generally" put this down to women being more willing to look for a person based on what is on the inside rather than the outside. The more you get to know people based on what is in there heart, soul and mind then sometimes the more beautiful they become.

Well, in any case, I am really just trying to summarise disparate points of view, but part of the beauty of the internet means that we can get to know people based on what is in there hearts and minds rather than on external appearances alone. In the outside world some of us may not even approach or get to know one another because of our perceived perception about a person based on looks alone.

I do on occasion ponder the investment value for women of expenditure on looking good.

Just to ponder on Leapyeahs comment, and possible redirect the post back to investing to a certain degree, in one edition of Cosmopolitan (or one of those magazines) there was one article about "How much to spend on Beauty?" and they demonstrated how to set up a budget based on Terry Beviano (the girlfriend of Alex Dimitriades) estimated expenditure on beauty. She spends around $25,000 a year basically on the full suite of facials, manicures, hair blow dries and make-up etc and she is really beautiful. THis amount I find absolutely unbelievable but I guess relative to her income that may not be much and I guess we all have priorities. BUT I thought that it was a particularly dangerous to the audience who most probably dont have that kind of money to spend but may be left with the impression that they need to spend that kind of money on looking good perhaps rather than investing in the future as well as trying to look good but within ones means.

Personally, I wish there was a way that I could communicate to the young people of today that you can invest, budget and look good without compromising your bank balance or your health.

Enough philosophising, enjoy your weekend all!

Kind regards

Corsa

 

[Corsa]

Well, I must say I was VERY surprised when I saw the title of his book a couple of weeks ago and even more surprised that he kept it when my book was published first.

Oh well, I hope it will have a positive effect on both.

Just on this point and also the original point of this post "Can an average Joe accumulate a net worth of $10 million dollars in 10 years?", the answer is a resounding yes.

Steve McKnight accumulated $1m in property in 1 years and has told us all how he did it. Peter has told us all how you can accumulate a networth of $10 million dollars in 10 years. I am sure it wont take long till Steve is also writing a book on how to get to $10m as well.

Even on this forum, there are some people who contribute and are willing to go into details, the minutia of what they do and how they do it and what they have got.

There are others who contribute but speak mainly at a high level, motherhood statements, not as much detail (not to say that there isnt any available) but just they would rather not go into it.

And others who ask questions on how to buy 1 IP
Others who answer questions on how to buy 1 IP

And others who ask questions on how to get to $1m
Others who answer questions on how to get to $1m

and Others who ask questions on how to get to $10m
Others who answer questions on how to get to $10m

There would be a small few who have got to $10m (as previous polls have suggested and just facts of life) but if someone was interested in getting there then there are the tools and information available as to how to get there if you know where to look as well as surround yourself with people who are living and breathing this stuff or as some people say "Walking the walk".

All the best, and have a great weekend

Corsa

 

[geoffw]

Gee .... did this post get off Topic

The post has not gone off topic, the thread has

But what interesting paths it has gone!

 

[see_change]

The post has not gone off topic, the thread has

But what interesting paths it has gone!

No problems with posts going off topic, however I perceived Ms Jade's comment as a attack on Leapyeah ( as have others on the forum ) and I felt her comment , which I highlighted , as not in the spirit of either this post of the forum and as such was unwarrented

See Change

 

[likewow]

Great thread and some interesting viewpoints from Peter (at least the non seduction ones, they're just silly). Having said that, I agree with Leapyeah's views and she is obviously a very intelligent woman.

It seems to me that Mr Spann is playing this forum like a fiddle to perpetuate this thread and sell more of his book and it certainly seems to be working.

btw: Peter,another character trait you forgot to mention that women like you for is your modesty

btw2: I was wondering if you were the same slightly overweight bloke with no Ferrarai and no money, would you have the same success with the opposite sex?

 

[redwing]

Peter Spann the man

hi all,

I've enjoyed peter's post's here immensely...

With the last few posting's you actually start to 'see' a bitmore of peter, to me he comes across as a great person.

As for peter "playing the forum like a fiddle'..huh... He's admitted to promoting his book here 'and' given out extra information!

have a look at other post's and you'll see people asking questions, lookingfor a mentor etc. there are some great investors as well as Peter on thisforum, the ones that have a hidden agenda are soon seen through by the regular forumites i believe..


REDWING

 

[Aceyducey]

In this forum Peter is following the strategy that works for him with women - making the other person feel special & burning no bridges.

It's a valid & highly successful strategy followed by many successful people

And no - I have no problems with it!

Cheers,

Aceyducey

 

[Peter Spann]

Now I'm confused - anybody else get that way with women?

May I be so bold as to suggest I replied to this post as someone who considers myself to be beautiful in my own right - and express the claustrophobia I feel at the notion that some men would unabashedly require me to maintain a high standard of physical appearance in order to be "good enough" for them. It is my right to feel chagrin about this - as it is your right to only date those you consider beautiful enough.

I spent most of my time on the dating scene trying to figure out why most of the women who dated me thought I was good enough for them!!!

So, no dispute there – half the time guys would come up to me and say, “What on earth have you got?” And it can’t be the obvious (from a guy’s point of view – think about it), after all I drive a Ferrari!

I have often felt the expectation to live up to some cultural stereotype of good looks but really, I understand that it would be nothing like the pressure some women feel.

 

[Peter Spann]

Still confused

I have lived inside this body that has been Paris Hilton thin (it hurt to sit on hard surfaces), that has found commercial advantage in meeting a cultural beauty imperative and that has subscribed at times to the beauty mill (and yep my trusty tube of Mac concealer is still in favour) - so I write my tongue-in-cheek challenge all from personal firsthand experiences rather than prejudice.

LOVE THAT GIRL (Paris) - loved her video, loved her TV show. But she could put a bit of weight on - it would hurt to cuddle her!

BTW - how good is Mac!

 

[Peter Spann]

Was confused, then not, now am again

I do on occasion ponder the investment value for women of expenditure on looking good.

Well, Harvard Business School did a study that proved that people described as "attractive" in a test group of 2,000 people sold up to 73% more than people described as "ugly".

They also demonstrated that they were promoted more often, got better jobs and earnt up to 27% more than the not sos.

Seems like looking good is a reasonable investment to me.

And I spend a fortune on “looking good” – my clothes are the best I can buy and I do try to project a certain image. Now if I could only keep my hands off the ice cream!

 

[Peter Spann]

Thought I was confused but now I am confused about that too

My thoughts on your other notions, Peter: For me, I feel the time and energy expended to analyze and decimate the appearance of another woman only serves to make me a lesser person. The Paris Hilton comment was made entirely in the name of comedy - and based on my personal experience of being very thin. Forgive me!

Agree 1,000% and believe me there's nothing to forgive - it just doesn't enter my head that it would be POSSIBLE to criticise Paris!

 

[Peter Spann]

Not confused now, but maybe I'm confused about NOT being confused?

With regard to beauty being linked to youth being a female-promoted fallacy, I think it is more a media-promoted fantasy designed to fuel the market to sell products to women who feel the need to meet a cultural imperative.

Yes I agree, but in the interests of personal responsibility, if we all had a higher sense of self-esteem and worth would we be less susceptible to their message?