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As I remember Kathryn you had a first lady who was a star in her own right a few decades ago.
The punch line of a joke at the time [cleaned up a little] was "She only stuffed half the country".
To me its how they act.
Recent 'hard line' Julia, putting journlists in their place and acting 'strong' has caught my eye in a positive way.
But weeping/crying Julia (or other female polli) makes me sick.
I want a strong person leading the country, a strong personality, someone who can be respectful or sad and mourn our dead but not a weeping leek.
I wasnt aware of politics to see much of thatcher but the limited parts I have seen is that she was strong, head held high, strong willed, strong personality. I havent seen footage of her balling her eyes out (it might be out there but I havent seen it nor been looking for it), Helen Clarke also seemed strong, a steely gaze still with a smile but just looking and hearing her I had the impression of someone who was strong.
I dont believe I have a conscious preference for a male or female leader but it is generally easier to point to a female leader and think 'weak', maybe thats me trying to measure a woman by a mans standards but I prefer to think I am measuring them up against the standard of what i would like to see in a leader.
To me its how they act.
Recent 'hard line' Julia, putting journlists in their place and acting 'strong' has caught my eye in a positive way.
Yes. As a strategic/rational temperament, she is predisposed to coolness, calmness, not readily display of emotion, factorial word use, it is her 'nature', they like sense and logic, sticking 'on point'. That's not to say they do not have emotions, but it means they are driven by distant goals, strategic building, the anesthetics, abstracts, achieving,autonomous,competent,curious,intellectuals, scientific,skeptical,theoretical, systematic, mobilising, coordinating etc..
But weeping/crying Julia (or other female polli) makes me sick.
I want a strong person leading the country, a strong personality, someone who can be respectful or sad and mourn our dead but not a weeping leek.
I wasnt aware of politics to see much of thatcher but the limited parts I have seen is that she was strong, head held high, strong willed, strong personality. I havent seen footage of her balling her eyes out (it might be out there but I havent seen it nor been looking for it), Helen Clarke also seemed strong, a steely gaze still with a smile but just looking and hearing her I had the impression of someone who was strong.
I dont believe I have a conscious preference for a male or female leader but it is generally easier to point to a female leader and think 'weak', maybe thats me trying to measure a woman by a mans standards but I prefer to think I am measuring them up against the standard of what i would like to see in a leader.
Did a bit of searching and found this: "Politicians have been having adulterous affairs since before King David got it on with Bathsheba. (Not so much, alas, in Canada, at least not publicly documented, the most notorious violation of vows in memory what Margaret Trudeau did to Pierre, rather than vice-versa.)"I don't follow politics (it bores me) but from what I remember, she didn't stay long, and she wasn't considered very good.
While a think a woman can the job, she was not the person for the job.
I'd have to google her, even to tell you her name.
Ladies like Kirner / Lawrence / Kenneally who are sent in to mop up the mess didn't really stand a chance. The men made the mess and they were literally all sacrificed.
Did a bit of searching and found this: "Politicians have been having adulterous affairs since before King David got it on with Bathsheba. (Not so much, alas, in Canada, at least not publicly documented, the most notorious violation of vows in memory what Margaret Trudeau did to Pierre, rather than vice-versa.)"
So notorious, we heard about it here in Oz.
'I'm not racist but...' or 'I'm not sexist but...'
These sentence starters seldom go any place nice.
Originally Posted by Dazz
Ladies like Kirner / Lawrence / Kenneally who are sent in to mop up the mess didn't really stand a chance. The men made the mess and they were literally all sacrificed.
lol this could'nt be further from the truth. They are as much a cog in the wheel as the others.
Nothing is more obstinate than a fashionable consensus. – Margaret Thatcher
She had opposed using the Euro instead of the Sterling, but her support of a VAT (Value Added Tax) made her even more unpopular, so she resigned. But not before the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, and she had restored some lustre and life into that ragged British Union Jack.
When in charge of an organization, whether in the military, business, education, or government, Fieldmarshals more than any other type desire (and generally have the ability) to visualize where the organization is going, and they seem able to communicate that vision to others. Their organizational and coordinating skills tends to be highly developed, which means that they are likely to be good at systematizing, ordering priorities, generalizing, summarizing, marshaling evidence, and at demonstrating their ideas. [Please Understand Me II]
Berlinski starts in just the right way, demonstrating that the Britain in which Thatcher rose to power was an entirely different country from Britain today. The standard of living had fallen behind that of Italy and France and far behind that of West Germany. Unemployment and inflation had become chronic. Strikes cost millions of work days each year. “London,” Berlinski writes, “was dreary and sullen. Throughout Britain, people looked ragged and worn-down.” A nation that within living memory had commanded an empire and defeated Hitler had grown shabby, ugly, dirty, and poor.
Thatcher, the daughter of a greengrocer, believed she could change that, succeeding where a long line of Conservative grandees had failed. “She’s not your ordinary, worldweary, pompous, self-important, thinking-inside-the-box, slightly defeatist, pragmatic, cautious, Tory politician,” John Hoskyns, the businessman who became one of Thatcher’s closest advisers, tells Berlinski. Hoskyns showed Thatcher a diagram displaying Britain’s countless ills–a hopeless tangle of causes and effects. “What the diagram really said,” Hoskyns explains, “is that if [you were] going to change anything, [you had] to change everything.” Thatcher understood, realizing, as Hoskyns puts it, “that something terrible [had] to be done.”
As I remember Maggie also imposed a "Bed Tax". Don't know how it worked but it was immensely unpopular.
I just tend to delete the "not" to get the accurate picture of what they are saying.
But what if one truly & fully deludes themselves that they are not racist / sexist whilst being so ? Me thinks this has happens sometimes...
Everyone is to a degree...if they say they aren't..then they are a liar.
Everyone is to a degree...if they say they aren't..then they are a liar.
No, there are actually people out there who judge others on merit alone, not their age, race or gender. Hard to believe, I know...