About divorce

[lovestruck]

{edit - thread split from this one: asset split in divorce}

What usually causes two people who are so "in love" at one point in their relationship to then go to the other extreme where they hate each other so much? I've never understood how this can happen. Isn't marriage a thing where you choose to still love (verb/doing word) someone even after you "fall out of love"?

 

[dex]

What usually causes two people who are so "in love" at one point in their relationship to then go to the other extreme where they hate each other so much? I've never understood how this can happen. Isn't marriage a thing where you choose to still love (verb/doing word) someone even after you "fall out of love"?

A quantum of solace is mentioned in Ian Fleming's 'For Your Eyes Only'. It's a debate Bond had with an ambassador at a party about relationships and when they break down and at what moment there's no hope.

Once that hope is gone there is nothing left. The quantum of solace is that last little bit of comfort when even at the darkest time in a relationship you look at the other person and say you still love each other. Once this has gone it's easy for hate and bitterness to seep in when she takes more than half your assets in divorce.

 

[dex]

Just doing a bit of research, I know it's not an official law website
But it says that due to recent law changes, prenups are accepted

Is this the case p, has anything changed at all?

There is another section further down that says , circumstance changes means the bfa can be deemed invalid like always

So is any of this stuff new and/or significant?

Got to be harsh here but have you ever heard of The Red Pill? Ever visited Chateau Heartiste, The Rational Male or Return of Kings? I advise you to take off the puss-goggles and get over your oneitis (google that, it's a key term) and see women for what they are and understand how women see you in this day and age.

Once married, you have no power, and to women, I am sorry to say, you are just a resource-provider. And as for your money you'll lose at least half of it in the divorce, especially in Oz or the USA where divorce is a $50bn-a-year industry and women have every incentive in the world to dump you and grab what you've got. See the movie "Divorce Corp", trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZTOT6DKfZ8

Don't make yourself and your wealth hostage to the whims of a woman. Even if she is a "10" today - and there ain't no such thing - women are fast-depreciating assets. You don't want to invest in one for the long term. If you want kids and have some assets then consider a surrogate arrangement. You don't need to marry a boa-constrictor and destroy a great life just to have kids.

 

[TMNT]

Got to be harsh here but have you ever heard of The Red Pill? Ever visited Chateau Heartiste, The Rational Male or Return of Kings? I advise you to take off the puss-goggles and get over your oneitis (google that, it's a key term) and see women for what they are and understand how women see you in this day and age.

Once married, you have no power, and to women, I am sorry to say, you are just a resource-provider. And as for your money you'll lose at least half of it in the divorce, especially in Oz or the USA where divorce is a $50bn-a-year industry and women have every incentive in the world to dump you and grab what you've got. See the movie "Divorce Corp", trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZTOT6DKfZ8

Don't make yourself and your wealth hostage to the whims of a woman. Even if she is a "10" today - and there ain't no such thing - women are fast-depreciating assets. You don't want to invest in one for the long term. If you want kids and have some assets then consider a surrogate arrangement. You don't need to marry a boa-constrictor and destroy a great life just to have kids.

You don't need to do that spiel to me, I've long read those links plus more,

In fact you won't get much disagreement from me

You just have to do the best of a bad situation and stay out of trouble

That's the only thing I can recommend

I've had a bad experience, which has taught me to be ultra careful now that I have much more to lose including kids!

Just be sensible, careful and open minded and you will be right

 

[antistar]

I heard this the other day and it made me laugh:

'They say love is grand
but a divorce is 900 grand'

Just thought I lighten up the discussion here a little bit!

 

[james start]

Got to be harsh here but have you ever heard of The Red Pill? Ever visited Chateau Heartiste, The Rational Male or Return of Kings? I advise you to take off the puss-goggles and get over your oneitis (google that, it's a key term) and see women for what they are and understand how women see you in this day and age.

Once married, you have no power, and to women, I am sorry to say, you are just a resource-provider. And as for your money you'll lose at least half of it in the divorce, especially in Oz or the USA where divorce is a $50bn-a-year industry and women have every incentive in the world to dump you and grab what you've got. See the movie "Divorce Corp", trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZTOT6DKfZ8

Don't make yourself and your wealth hostage to the whims of a woman. Even if she is a "10" today - and there ain't no such thing - women are fast-depreciating assets. You don't want to invest in one for the long term. If you want kids and have some assets then consider a surrogate arrangement. You don't need to marry a boa-constrictor and destroy a great life just to have kids.

This is a really great post

 

[Mr. Fabulous]

Yes, it is. Another blog that I would add to the ones recommended is: http://www.jack-donovan.com.

Here is a description of the man: Portland, Oregon-based author of The Way of Men writes about masculinity, tribalism, honour, feminism, and the conflict between manliness and civilisation.

My favourite article that he has written is this one and I believe to be a great starting point for an introduction to his work: http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2014/06/a-time-for-wolves/

 

[redwing]

I found another use for apple cider vinegar

 

[Mr. Fabulous]

Hahaha! RoK is... interesting. Whatever you do guys, stay far far away from A Voice for Men, the largest concentration of manginas on any site on the internet. In fact, stay away from the MRM altogether. It's the male version of feminism.

 

[Terry_w]

A client recently told me about a movement called MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way. Interesting.

 

[Mr. Fabulous]

Hi Terry, MGTOW is scraping the bottom of the MRA barrel. I've been aware of MGTOW of for a number of years now.

For the uninitiated, the best advice I can provide is to be very very careful getting into this sort of stuff. There are a very small handful of guys that identify as MGTOW that I would describe as being 'on the level'.

MGTOW is widely considered to be an offshoot of the MRM (Mens Rights Movement), however it is pretty much a fringe movement. The broad idealism of MGTOW is to largely remove oneself from society as we know it and to cut off relationships with women as much as is practicably possible.

As with any movement, the men that identify with it range from being reasonably moderate to full on hardcore. The reasonably moderate guys are more about not getting involved with women in a one on one relationship capacity, but not cutting off from women entirely.

You then get into more centrist guys who have cut off completely from contact with women, mostly because they prefer not to deal with the complexities that come from dealing with women on an every day basis. The Japanese herbivore movement is a good example of this.

Then you get into the full bore, hardline extremist stuff, where the actual misogynists (the guys that truly hate women) come out to play. You'll find these guys on MGTOW forums and they are flat out full of hate. These areas really are not for the faint of heart, there is a lot of crazy stuff going on there. Trust me, I've read a bunch of that stuff and been floored by the craziness of it. Think radical feminism or white supremacism and you'll get an idea of what they are about.

Basically this is where you'll find males that blame everything that has ever gone wrong throughout all time on women.

 

[dex]

Good summary Fab and I also detect some anger on MGTOW forums but they mainly seem to be from guys who hate their ex-wives. Some of them are pretty toxic but I find it helps find my line and how cynical I want to be.

MGTOW seem to be guys avoiding societal expections of marriage and kids and if they do want those things they look to other countries where men are not at the mercy of feminist judges in the event of divorce.

A lot of the problems stem from women wanting to monopolize the sexual market place because it increases their power. This is why women hate prostitutes because they drive down the cost/benefit ratio. Some you pay up front with cash and others you pay at the end in divorce courts.

 

[Mr. Fabulous]

Hey dex, have you seen Rollo's SMV graph?

 

[dex]

Interesting, I hadn't come across it before.
So men's SMV peaks around 38 and women at 22-24. It confirms men get more action later on in life.

Women in SE Asia seem more aware of their peak and try to get married before then.
At 25 they're panicking because they know 28 is well past their peak and they're on the decline.
These women in their 30's are constantly anxious about settling down but many will have westerners as a backup plan.
Western women on the other hand don't have much hope once they're past their 30's.

 

[kathryn d]

This is why women hate prostitutes because they drive down the cost/benefit ratio. Some you pay up front with cash and others you pay at the end in divorce courts.

I didn't realise that women hated prostitutes.

I've always said that a women should have the right.
It's their body, and they are providing a service.
They can give it away, but not charge for it...sounds like a stupid rule.

It's the pimps that I have the problem with.
If the prostitute wants to hire a boduy guard, that is different, but she is always in charge.

 

[TMNT]

I didn't realise that women hated prostitutes.

I've always said that a women should have the right.
It's their body, and they are providing a service.
They can give it away, but not charge for it...sounds like a stupid rule.

It's the pimps that I have the problem with.
If the prostitute wants to hire a boduy guard, that is different, but she is always in charge.

its not that they hate them, they feel threatened by them

because the games they play are less effective, since all a guy has to do is to go to a prositute where the guy can get most of what he wants, with no headaches, no games, no lying, no blackmail,

I wouldnt be surprised in todays world the demand for prostitutes is at an all time high!

in fact, there are times im on a first dinner date with a woman (mind you I was the one who was asked out), and i sit and think to myself, I should have just hired an escort for dinner, judging the amount of gossiping/arrogance/dumb conversation/up herselffness I have to listen to,

and I still have to pay!

 

[Mr. Fabulous]

and I still have to pay!

You got played like Nintendo.

 

[sanj]

my brain hurts from reading some of the posts in this thread, is that meant to happen? should i get that looked at?

 

[Mr. Fabulous]

You may need glasses.

 

[sanj]

You may need glasses.

or more bitterness in my life by the sounds of it